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07-03-2013 , 06:39 AM
Also, about The Spy Who Loved Me...

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07-12-2013 , 06:29 PM
Moonraker



Not a great Bond. This one took it very cartoonish, dispensing completely with any sort of plot or progression that could be considered realistic. The detective-work and plot driven by ridiculous coincidence would have been too silly for the 60s Batman, and when it did try and be real Bond, it merely felt like a tired retread of old Bonds. Some of my problems:

- Jaws is completely indestructable this time. He's pretty much a precursor for Arnie's Terminator in this one, whether it be falling from thousands of feet with a failed parachute, going over a massive waterfall, and so on...

- Moore looks haggard at this point, the low point being the part where he has to wrestle with what looks like a toy python in a small pool

- The stupid music cues. We get the 5 notes from Close Encounters, the Magnificent Seven and so on at various points.

- The monastery that's a secret training ground for commandos, just because Bond's meeting Q there. Bond casually opening a door to see two "monks" kicking the **** out of each other...what the **** is that about?

- The riff on the scene in The Spy Who Loved Me when the cool car comes up the beach and freaks out the holidaymakers...YEAH, THAT'S DO THAT AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME WITH A GONDOLAH THAT'S A HOVERCRAFT, BUT IN ST MARKS SQUARE, VENICE. AND NOT ONLY WILL WE HAVE A GUY WITH A BOTTLE DOING A COMEDY DOUBLE-TAKE AT THE BOTTLE, WE'LL GET A PIGEON TO DO A DOUBLE-TAKE TOO.

- The complete lack of sex. Holly Goodhead looks okay I guess if you like them severe and slightly androgynous, as do the other girls, but they look antisceptic and sexless, and it's just bland.

- When Bond identifies the source of a toxin to belong to a certain orchid that grows in a certain place (shades of 60's Batman levels of detective work), and goes there in a brilliant speedboat...AND THERE'S A GANG OF GUYS DRESSED IN YELLOW JUMPSUITS WAITING THERE...IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN RAINFOREST. WHAT, THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO START SHOOTING AT???? Oh, and Jaws happens to be there too.

- At one point, Bond kicks Jaws in the lovespuds, and there's a distinct CLANG. WTF?


Okay, it was silly, but despite the above, there was a few things I liked. I liked the fights, especially in the glass museum/shop place and the cable car. Despite the ridiculous setup, I liked the speedboat sequence. I really liked the bit where a sniper is about to take out Bond whilst he's out shooting with Drax, and Bond takes him out first. I liked some of the outer-space special effects shots. And dammit, I like Richard Kiel's Jaws.



So I didn't hate it - to be fair I was entertained in a kind of enraging way - but it made me roll my eyes so much I still can't look down properly.

58/100

Last edited by diebitter; 07-12-2013 at 06:34 PM.
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07-12-2013 , 07:10 PM
^^^ My least favorite Moore Bond movie. You pretty much said it all. If I had seen this one in theatres, I would have been quite disappointed (was born in '84, lol).
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07-12-2013 , 09:16 PM
Jaws was clearly the best thing about Moonraker.

A View to a Kill was the worst with Moore as Bond (though Octopussy wasn't great either).
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07-13-2013 , 02:54 AM
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^^^ My least favorite Moore Bond movie. You pretty much said it all. If I had seen this one in theatres, I would have been quite disappointed (was born in '84, lol).
I did see it in a theatre, and I was very disappointed...so much so, I never saw another Moore Bond movie in a theatre. It would take until Never Say Never Again to get me back into a cinema to see Bond, but I did reengage with the official Bond series when Dalton came on board.

However, I'm still looking forward to properly sitting through the rest of Moore (which I think I've watched on TV but it's hazy) to see what gold lies in the mud.
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07-13-2013 , 06:49 AM
Also, the skydiving stuff at the beginning was pretty damn great.
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07-13-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Jaws was clearly the best thing about Moonraker.

A View to a Kill was the worst with Moore as Bond (though Octopussy wasn't great either).
Agreed on Jaws. I loved AVTAK. It had my favorite theme (huge Duran Duran fan here), Christopher Walken, the sultry Tanya Roberts, and a total 80's late-night-made-for-tv-movie feel. Actually, that doesn't sound too great now... Moore went out with a whimper indeed. Plus, he was what, 60 at the time?
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07-15-2013 , 05:59 AM
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A few years ago I read all the Ian Fleming 007 novels (didnt bother with the ones done by others). Made me realize how far the franchise had gotten away from the Bond envisioned by Fleming before Craig came along.
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I'll assume everyone itt is familiar with the Bond films and needn't worry about spoilers, so here's a nice bit of trivia:

The films, pre-Daniel Craig era, featured a different actor playing Felix Leiter, with one exception - David Hedison, who was in Live and Let Die and License To Kill. In the original novel LALD, Leiter is wounded badly by a shark attack. That part was not in the movie, but appeared as a plot element in LTK (which BTW was the first Bond movie not based on a Fleming book.)
Remember who played Felix Leiter in the first one....Dr. No. He was the main character in a long running T.V. series that I read at the time was the most expensive one to make. Hawaii Five - O. Jack Lord.

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I prefer Never Say Never Again to Thunderball, to be honest. Largo is a much more interesting character, for one thing. And Max Von Sydow as Blofeld is all kinds of win.
Yea, Max Von Sydow seemed/seems to never disappoint in his acting roles. I really liked the character he played in the movie Three Days of the Condor (basically an assassin for hire, but with a totally different personality than most assassins for hire) that starred Redford & Dunaway in their primes.

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They tend to follow other action trends these days, Casino Royale owes a lot to Bourne, but when they get it right, man it still is a glorious experience to see a great Bond movie. Skyfall was spectacularly good imo, as being one of the few Bond films where there is emotion and a death matters (the other being OHMSS in terms of being impactful, but it's also present in Casino Royale, but doesn't work half as well imo...Craig and Eva Green just didn't sell it to me in that one)
Bernardo Bertolucci made a movie in 2003 called The Dreamers & Eva Green was the female lead. She displayed more graphic frontal nudity than any other actress I've ever seen in a movie (that wasn't porn).

Some folks thought this was a great movie but I found it mediocre.

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Oh, one oversight (omission) which I feel terrible about failing to mention. Of course, I'm speaking about the music and John Barry's great musical score. Like so many other aspects of the Bond franchise, the distinctive music - including the opening sequence when Bond fires his pistol and blood flows down the screen ... when you heard that pistol shot and that music you knew it was a "Bond" movie. Also, nearly every one of the Bond movies has a theme song belted out by a popular artist. Most of them were female recording artists, (i.e. Shirley Bassey, Nancy Sinatra, Lulu, Carly Simon, Sheena Easton), but there were also some notable male singers such as Tom Jones belting out "Thunderball." I recall some groups who did the theme song - such as Duran Duran performing "A View To A Kill" and Paul McCartney doing "Live and Let Die" only a few years after the Beatles had broken up.
Yea, change is hard to adjust to. I liked all the early Bond movies with Connery the best & when they started to deviate from that music u mention & the opening sequence when he turns & fires & the blood flows down....it signaled that more changes were on the way.
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07-15-2013 , 06:31 AM
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Remember who played Felix Leiter in the first one....Dr. No. He was the main character in a long running T.V. series that I read at the time was the most expensive one to make. Hawaii Five - O. Jack Lord.
Jack Lord was offered the role of Captain Kirk before Shatner, but he wanted too much money. Thank goodness.
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07-15-2013 , 01:25 PM
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Remember who played Felix Leiter in the first one....Dr. No. He was the main character in a long running T.V. series that I read at the time was the most expensive one to make. Hawaii Five - O. Jack Lord.
They didn't bring Lord back as Lighter in Goldfinger because Broccoli thought that Lord looked more "Bond" than Connery. He also felt Lord overshadowed Connery when they were onscreen together. Lord also wanted a bigger billing and more money which didn't help.
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07-15-2013 , 10:07 PM
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Jack Lord was offered the role of Captain Kirk before Shatner, but he wanted too much money. Thank goodness.
After reading your reply (which is spot on), I thought I would spend a few minutes checking out Jack at Wikipedia.

When I read why he didn't reprise his Felix Leiter role in Goldfinger, I found it pretty comical, although I guess an actor that can spout out "Book-em Dano" on cue show after show would have a good reason to have a healthy ego.

Anyway - here is why he didn't do it again.

Lord was the first actor to play the character Felix Leiter in the James Bond film series, introduced in the first Bond film, Dr. No. According to screenwriter Richard Maibaum, Lord demanded co-star billing, a bigger role and more money to reprise the role in Goldfinger, which resulted in director Guy Hamilton casting the role to an older actor to make Leiter more of an American "M".

Co-Star billing with Connery in a Bond Film, are u kidding me?

Just a bit more reminiscing about early Bond. This from the 2nd film "From Russia With Love".

Remember who played one of the bad guys in that one.....Robert Shaw who was Quint in Jaws & the guy that gets stung in The Sting (Doyle Lonnegan).

And since this is a poker forum.

I'm sure a lot of folks here remember the poker scene on the train in The Sting......& do u remember what kind of booze that Newman told Redford was the kind to drink so people couldn't tell that you were cutting it with a lot of water?

Newman was excellent in that scene putting Shaw on Tilt.
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07-15-2013 , 10:46 PM
Always drink gin with a mark kid.
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07-16-2013 , 04:04 PM
Favourite girl?
Xenia Onatopp

Favourite villain?
Baron Samedi because of his laugh. He wasn't the most evil but he was definitely a great combination of dangerous and creepy.

Favourite henchman?
Oddjob

Favourite scene?
This is a hard one. I'll go top 3 - in no particular order
1. Bond destroying half of St. Petersburg with a tank (Goldeneye)
2. The hall of mirrors (The Man with the Golden Gun)
3. The torture chair (The World is not Enough)
Honorable mention - Goldfinger cheating at cards

Favourite song?
Tomorrow Never Dies

Favourite movie?
Goldeneye

Second favourite Bond? (we all know the first)
Connery > Brosnan > Craig > others

I'll even add a category: Favorite villain death?
The Cuban radio tower falling (pointy end first) on to Trevelyan - his cough at the end does a great job of conveying "this is going to suck"

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07-16-2013 , 08:55 PM
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Always drink gin with a mark kid.
BINGO
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07-16-2013 , 09:58 PM
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Goldfinger was named after the architect Erno Goldfinger. Everyone knows that, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ern%C5%91_Goldfinger
I read the link u supplied and found it interesting. Of all the headings on the Wikipedia page about Erno Goldfinger.....I think folks here would find this one the most interesting....& if not that....for sure the funniest.

PERSONAL LIFE - Goldfinger was known as a humourless man given to notorious rages. He sometimes fired his assistants if they were inappropriately jocular, and once forcibly ejected two prospective clients for imposing restrictions on his design.

A discussion about Ernő with *Ursula Goldfinger's cousin on a golf course prompted Ian Fleming to name the James Bond adversary and villain Auric Goldfinger after Ernő. (Fleming had previously been among the objectors to the pre-war demolition of the cottages in Hampstead that were removed to make way for Goldfinger's house at 2 Willow Road.)

Goldfinger consulted his lawyers when Goldfinger was published in 1959, which prompted Fleming to threaten to rename the character 'Goldprick', but eventually decided not to sue; Fleming's publishers agreed to pay his costs and gave him six free copies of the book.

Goldfinger died on November 15, 1987, at the age of 85, and was cremated at the Golders Green Crematorium where his ashes remain.

* I'm sure Bond fans remember Ursula Andress in Dr. No when she walks out of the water onto the beach.

This is good & has the unmistakeable Bond music throughout.


The beach scene
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07-20-2013 , 09:00 PM
For Your Eyes Only



A step up from Moonraker in my opinion, here we have Bond doing a bit of a mini-reboot, with a mission that isn't about destroying the world but about recovering an encryption machine that puts at risk the entire nuclear submarine capability of the UK. We're back to basics here, with Bond being a bit more of the agent we saw in, say, Live and Let Die - a more gritty, realistic Bond. Moore is looking younger and fitter here than in Moonraker (though he still looks quite old), and it worked in part. The best scene showing this is a scene where a bad guy is in a car hanging off a cliff, and Bond angrily boots the side of the car so it goes over because the guy has done some over-the-line things. Now, that's Bond.

There were some good action sequences, and amusing was the telegraphing of Bond going back to basics when some bad guys tried to break into his Lotus - and it explodes - leading him to escape in the most non-Bond car ever. Good sequence though. There was also a pretty good ski-action sequence with Bond skiing down a Louge run and a motorbiker chasing him. There was also a reasonable end sequence where Bond and friends infiltrate commando-style a mountaintop retreat (shades of OHMSS).

The opening sequence was also interesting, with Bond visiting the grave of his dead wife. We clearly see her date of death as 1969, which may be some acknowledgement that this is indeed an older Bond. Then he gets in a helicopter controlled by Blofeld, and various fun shenanegins ensue.


There were problems though. There's a scene near the beginning where Q and Bond are using some gizmo to identify a bad guy which using computer graphics that seem to come out of the old BBC TV adaptation of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and it feels completely bloated and unnecessary, and adds to some creakiness in the movie. The female lead is attractive in a severe kind of way, and again as with Moonraker, she's not really sexy in a oldschool Bond way, but in an antisceptic way. Finally, there's a scene at the end where there's a comedic dialogue between Margaret Thatcher and a parrot (she thinks she's talking to Bond) that's horrible.

Also, Moore is just too old for two of the three "love interests" in the movie, both Melina and Bibi, especially Bibi, but thankfully the script acknowledges the latter case, at least, and has Bond act fatherly rather than seductive to her.

Some other notes of interest: My wife smiled whenever Melina's name was mentioned, and I asked her why, and she told me "Melina" is a medical term for blood in your stool...nice. Also, this movie has a Bond girl played by Cassandra Harris, who was Pierce Brosnan's wife at the time (she has died since), and it was Cassandra who introduced Pierce to Cubby Broccoli.

The theme song here is passable, at best. I also think this is the one and only time we see the singer of a Bond song in the opening credits. Probably because Sheena Easton was quite a looker.

Not a great Bond, but an improvement on Moonraker

63/100

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07-21-2013 , 10:31 AM
Moonraker by Ian Fleming



The third novel featuring James Bond has Bond working entirely in England, first helping M out in a private matter involving card cheating, where the cheat is the industrialist Hugo Drax. It then moves on to Bond being part of the security for a massive, important project masterminded by Drax, the building of an atomic-warhead rocket called Moonraker, built to protect England.

But not everything is what it seems, as the man has a staff of 50 German technicians (this is set maybe 7-8 years after WW2) and a proclivity to megalomania...

Really nice, direct thriller, with Bond suffering and trying in desperate circumstances to outwite this mad genius. Very low-key in places, but very enjoyable. Fleming is a great one for producing a page-turner when the narrative and story is simple and direct.
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07-21-2013 , 07:14 PM
Octopussy (1983)



A Very mundane Bond with silliness throughout, but 2 redeeming features. Maud Adams is the sexiest Bond girl since...Maud Adams (in Man With the Golden Gun, playing a different character) and the first really sexual female we've seen in a Bond for a while; and the action sequences are top notch when not being undercut by silly jokes. For example, there's a sequences where Bond is being hunted through a jungle, which is going well, but his drama is undercut by a joke where he faces a tiger and tries to get it to sit like a dog, and then we see him swinging through the trees, doing a Tarzan call...sheesh.

However, ignoring this, there are good action sequences, such as the opening sequence where Bond flies this cool miniplane, and the end sequence where Bond is hanging onto a flying plane is really terrific, if unbelievable. I even liked the final sequence where lady ninjas in red lycra take out armed men in the villain's lair.

The plot makes little sense, but it does contain some cool stuff like deadly knife-throwing brothers, a yoyo that's a buzzsaw, and a sequence involving a clown being hunted through the woods. Any movie that has a clown being hunted through the woods cannot be all bad.

One thing that also bothers me in these last few Bonds is that Q has somehow become in-field support - he's an old dude that should be in a lab, for goodness sake.

I quite like the song "All Time High" - at least they didn't try and jam the word Octopussy in the lyrics, and Rita Coolidge sings like honey dripped in your ears.

63/100
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07-21-2013 , 09:09 PM
Sorry, Maude Adams doesn't even make my list of Top 10 Bond Girls. Whatever it is that I want, she ain't got it.
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07-21-2013 , 09:52 PM
I agree about Maude. Never did a thing for me.
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07-22-2013 , 03:13 AM
You two will be happy when I get to A View To A Kill, it's set in San Fransisco.



Seriously, I see your point, but honestly it really only struck me for the first time during this intense Bonding period (DUCWIDT?) how anodyne or androgynous/suspicious Adam's apple/recovering anorexic the women are in Moore's Bondage (another Bond pun! Bazinga!). It's like the worst of Connery's are still way sexier than anything in Moore's tenure. Hell, even Lazenby had Diana Rigg.

So okay Maud doesn't compare to those, but I still think she's the sexiest Bond girl in the Moore years by far.
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07-22-2013 , 02:16 PM
I'll just leave this here...

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07-22-2013 , 03:46 PM
Wow, that's a beautiful song from that orchestra. Confirms that YOLT is my favourite Bond OST

And here's John Barry's orchestral piece from that movie, "Mountains and Sunsets"

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07-23-2013 , 06:27 PM
Trying to wrap my head around the weird Brit taste that prefers Maude Adams to Barbara Bach or Britt Ekland.
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07-23-2013 , 07:07 PM
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Trying to wrap my head around the weird Brit taste that prefers Maude Adams to Barbara Bach or Britt Ekland.
This. Maude is severely overrated. One of my least favorite Bond girls actually.
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