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Old 04-25-2009, 07:22 PM   #801
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me and a buddy arrived in cordoba a week ago, but things didnt turn out that welll, so looks like tomorrow were gonna take abus to buenos aires, heading for palermo. can any of you guys tell me how chances are to find a nice place for 1-3 months and how the prices are. we would appreciate any tipps. maybe someone knows a good real estate agency?
I've known a few people who've had success with http://www.ojopropiedades.com/site/home_eng.php . When you get in town you can visit the office (in Palermo) and tell them what you want and they can show you some properties.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:37 PM   #802
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Great thread. I've gotten through about half of it so far and will get through the rest of it in the next few days.

Couple of questions:

1) Does everyone who posts in this thread that lives in BA play poker for their primary source of income? If not, what do you do?

2) I'm graduating with an MBA from a top tier b-school (United States) in December and I speak functional Spanish but not fluent (could probably get to basic-fluent within a few months with prep before I go). Has anyone explored high paying (around 6 figure USD) business jobs (finance, consulting, etc...) there with success?

3) Which US companies have large corporate presence there?

Thanks in advance.
1) High paying job
You haven't gotten to the chapter on frontier economies in B-school yet? Also, the economy in Argentina is probably going to get shellacked hard in the not too distant future. The worldwide economy is super saturated with experienced out of work people looking for high paying finance/consulting jobs, consider yourself very fortunate if you can get a job making six figures in the states.

2) Cost of living
A) Real estate
This is wildly dependent on where you live. Ten minute cab ride from Palermo and you can be in a middle class/relatively safe neighborhood that is well under half the rent (granted it's going to be kind of far from good nightlife). The short term rental market is huge in Palermo and Recoleta, also very targeted at foreigners, hence the price inflation. Since everything is short term, the price is going to vary a lot depending on how long you are staying and how nice the furnishings/building is. Just peruse some rental sites and craigslist and you'll get a good idea. Tough to find bargains that aren't skimping on the furnishings. Remember that the cheaper/sketchier agencies are probably more likely to try to own you on the security deposit.

B) going out
Again, very dependent on where you go out. A beer might be 4 dollars in Puerto Madero, 2-3 in Palermo, and 1-2 in San Telmo. Much harder to spend a lot on dinner than in most US cities...a decent restaurant will be 10-15 dollars for an entree.

C) Groceries
Not a huge bargain unless you're going to be preparing your own food from basic ingredients. Name brand products can cost just as much if not more than the states.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:29 PM   #803
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As long as we're on that topic... how efficient is the pricing on the vacation rentals? I'm kind of assuming that since these things are targeted at foreigners who have to book remotely, and there's not much repeat business, that owners are just going to charge whatever they can get away with, and a more expensive price tag won't necessarily indicate that the apartment is any better than other options. Am I right about this? From browsing around I've encountered some apartments that are much cheaper than most others nearby and have considerably more floor space (supposedly). I keep debating about whether I should assume there is something wrong with these places to make the price so low, or if perhaps the owners are just offering a good price to try to improve the occupancy rate and I would be getting a good deal.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:52 PM   #804
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thats what happened to us in cordoba. prices were very differently with no obvious reason showing. one agent showed us a place for 2500, when we returned the key the very same apartment was advertised in the window for 2000. then they let us wait for another appartment, said it was sure, didnt work out, showed us others, when we agreed on one they said now we also have to pay +50% of the rent as comission, and that this is normal in argentina(which obviously isnt)
= real estate agents are asses (sorry if any honest, organized one reading this ;-) )
so were gonna invest some good time looking for places in buenos aires. also they said that there is no way to negotiate the price, which is the first time i encountered this after having traveled so much in central/south america, or is this supposed to be the first round of (very very tough) negotiating?
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Old 04-26-2009, 12:17 PM   #805
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I just want to chip in with props to Zarathustra, who is always spot on with pretty much everything he says about BA.

@ Fatking: real estate agents are a real piece of work here in BA. I hate them almost as much as I hate the police, and I always get my soul owned by them, even being a local. If you have the right personality, stand up for yourself, 'cause they'll usually be FOS... just think that they're trained to con locals, who are in turn trained to spot con artists.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:07 PM   #806
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In this economic environment I think walking about is a powerful negotiation. There should be more property on the market than ever, so I'd just be patient and wait for someone trying to offload out of desperation.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:08 AM   #807
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me and a buddy arrived in cordoba a week ago, but things didnt turn out that welll, so looks like tomorrow were gonna take abus to buenos aires, heading for palermo. can any of you guys tell me how chances are to find a nice place for 1-3 months and how the prices are. we would appreciate any tipps. maybe someone knows a good real estate agency?
Every apartment I have ever found there has been through craigslist. Whenever possible try and cut the agencies out as they take a huge cut on most rentals (around $200-300 per month in some cases on a $1000 rental).
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:15 PM   #808
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Anyone need a roommate?
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:51 AM   #809
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Aight, we're gonna do Sudestada at 9:00 tonight. But, seriously, if you are going to be late, don't come. The place is tiny and we need to know many we're gonna be so we can get a table before it fills up.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:10 PM   #810
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hi
me +1 would really like to come if possible, just arrived 2 days ago (as written in some posts above).
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:28 PM   #811
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Who eats at 9 in this country? Can we do 10 please? I'm in if its at 10, out if at 9.

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Old 04-28-2009, 06:38 PM   #812
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If you want to go out tonight and listen to some beats from home check out Hype.

They have Hip-Hop, Electro and Drum & Bass at a real nice club in Palermo. Rapidly becoming the standard Tuesday night for the gringo crowd.
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:39 PM   #813
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We do it at 9 because if we do it at 10 and we go somewhere popular, they might have trouble accomodating a group of 12 people.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:59 PM   #814
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:45 PM   #815
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Anyone know where to get some decent looking boots down here. I know the leather products are as good as the beef but the only boots I see are womens. Where should i go?
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:38 AM   #816
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Any of you guys mountain climb at all? If so would you recommend living in BsAs over say Mendoza or Santiago?
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:31 AM   #817
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hey whats is the place to go out tonight where they play reggeaton?

someone inn to meet&have some drinks, than go to a disco ?

I just arrived a week ago and ain't got a lot of orientation yet concerning where to go etc...
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:10 PM   #818
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Any of you guys mountain climb at all? If so would you recommend living in BsAs over say Mendoza or Santiago?
I rock climb and do a little non-technical alpine stuff when it presents itself to me. It's very flat over here in BA. I believe there is rock climbing in Mar del Plata, but there are no mountains around BA that I know of. I am presently looking for a climbing gym in the city, if you want I can let you know of what I find.

Mendoza is near Anaconcagua, the largest mountain outside the Himalayas. Santiago is on the other side of the amazing Andes, offering some good choices for climbers I believe. Its going into winter, I don't know how many things go this time of year with regards to avalanches and weather conditions.

I'm planning on spending winter in the Andes skiing, not sure where yet. I hope you get some other, better responses...I'm interested as well.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:36 PM   #819
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does anyone have a tip how to get a cheap one way flight from buenos aires to europe? my secon option would be to look for a round trip, meaning i return in like 4-5 months to BA, but i would really prefer the one way ticket.
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:35 AM   #820
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does anyone have a tip how to get a cheap one way flight from buenos aires to europe? my secon option would be to look for a round trip, meaning i return in like 4-5 months to BA, but i would really prefer the one way ticket.
Interested in this as well.

I've been looking for flights from Europe to BA, and the cheapest I've been able to find is $1400 for a return flight from London or Madrid to BA, one-way flights from London or Madrid to BA are ~$1000. That's the best I've been able to find.
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Old 05-03-2009, 08:37 AM   #821
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Interested in this as well.

I've been looking for flights from Europe to BA, and the cheapest I've been able to find is $1400 for a return flight from London or Madrid to BA, one-way flights from London or Madrid to BA are ~$1000. That's the best I've been able to find.
Yeah, it looks like one-way has become a huge sucker's bet. About a month ago I couldn't find anything < $1000 to Europe. But when I tried out some multi-leg options, I was able to get BA--Madrid, Stockholm--NYC, Miami--BA all for $1450. I guess the moral is if you KNOW you have to be somewhere else (besides your primary destination) in the next six month, just add that on to your one-way since you are basically freerolling.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:54 PM   #822
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Yeah, it looks like one-way has become a huge sucker's bet. About a month ago I couldn't find anything < $1000 to Europe. But when I tried out some multi-leg options, I was able to get BA--Madrid, Stockholm--NYC, Miami--BA all for $1450. I guess the moral is if you KNOW you have to be somewhere else (besides your primary destination) in the next six month, just add that on to your one-way since you are basically freerolling.
What sites/airlines did you use to find those prices?

I want to go from Copenhagen(Europe) -> BA, BA -> Las Vegas, Las Vegas -> Copenhagen over a ~9 months timespan but I was unable to find any cheap options. Vegas to CPH was pretty cheap, but I couldn't find any cheap flights from BA - LV, so I'll end up paying something like 1k for CPH-BA, 1k for BA-LV and ~500 for LV-CPH.
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Old 05-04-2009, 03:23 PM   #823
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I just went straight through the American Airlines website
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:51 PM   #824
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he guys, im going to buenos aires in a week. dont know if its ok to ask, but can you give me ideas how to get hooked up with weed?
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:10 AM   #825
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Came to BA on Friday thinking I would find an apartment after I arrived rather than book something unseen. However, I find myself paralyzed by the myriad choices as well as my fear of being taken advantage of as I was in my last adventure by an agency in Mexico. So, I find myself booking yet another day at the hotel.

So, does anyone have a reliable contact that could help me find a nice apartment for <=$1000US with Internet? Any advice is much appreciated!

I'm a mid/high limit pro looking to stay 1-3 months depending on enjoyment factor. Would also be happy to meet up with anyone for drinks sometime. Thanks.
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