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Old 01-25-2009, 07:48 AM   #576
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Re: Moving to Buenos Aires discussion

Few random questions - I was planning on going to Argentina for a few months, but plans change. I'll get there eventually. Here are the 5 random questions that I have about moving there.

- How much is your average beer at a bar?
- What's the selection like? Lots of imports?
- Is there a racist vibe there? In the Philippines, Filipinos judge class a lot by how light or dark your skin color is. It's pretty lol.
- How open are randos to meeting and befriending foreigners with terrible Spanish accents?

Most of my travels, we've just socialized with the people we went with or some of the local poker players and their friends (which is something I regret obv).
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:56 AM   #577
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I guess I was looking in the wrong places for apartments, there's a bunch more modern stuff in Palermo including some sweet lofts for 1000-1200USD/month. How's the neighborhood though?
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Old 01-25-2009, 11:35 AM   #578
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I guess I was looking in the wrong places for apartments, there's a bunch more modern stuff in Palermo including some sweet lofts for 1000-1200USD/month. How's the neighborhood though?
This seems to come up a lot so I figured I would put in my $.02 about where to live as a newcomer.

Recoleta- Clean, lots of amenities, good transportation, lots of cafes, lots of uninspired restaurants. Main problem with Recoleta is that it is full of old people and tourists (not expats) and it is prolly the most expensive neighborhood.

San Telmo- Do not move here straight from abroad. It is cheap and kinda dirty and def has more atmosphere than any other neighborhood. Some people love it and some people hate it. Probably the most dangerous place a foreigner would live. Some great restaurants (especially parrillas).

Palermo-botanico- The areas around the botanical gardens and zoo. Maybe the prettiest area of the city. Plenty of great cafes and some pretty good restaurants. Lots of older Portenas with tons of plastic surgery walking their poodles. Great location near the Bosques for running. Pretty expensive and not really a young vibe present.

Palermo-Soho- The area between Scalabrini Ortiz, Santa Fe, Juan B Justo and Cordoba. Famous for its endless cafes, restaurants and shopping boutiques. Great nightlife. Full of expats and young argentine professionals. Probably the most popular and safest bet for expat living. Two nice plazas surrounded by bars and restaurants.

Palermo-Hollywood- The area between Juan B Justo, Santa Fe, Dorrego, and Cordoba. Similar to Soho, but a bit more undeveloped and bohemian and, therefore, a little bit more tranquilo. You'll probably see a few more portenos and a few less expats. Whereas the emphasis in Soho is on cafes and shopping, Hollywood is the culinary center of the city. Less amenities than Soho.

Las Canitas- The area between Libertador, Dorrego, Luis Maria Campos and Lacroze. Another great choice for a newcomer. Modern and hip, full of great restaurants and nightlife. Close to the rest of Palermo. I little bit expensive and busier than Palermo Soho and Hollywood.

Puerto Madero- Expensive, isolated, full of mediocre expensive restaurants. Few people will visit you if you live here.

Alright that is my very rough over view of the barrios that a newcomer would be interested in.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:20 AM   #579
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Dinner club this Tuesday at 9pm. Républica Brasas Restó

Vicente López 1661 Local 6 1° piso, in Recoleta.

Edit: That is if all you microlimit grinders can spare the time for dinner. And can find enough pesos.

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Old 01-26-2009, 12:17 PM   #580
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You could take this as spam, since I'm good friends with the owner...but try www.myplacerealestate.com. Talk to Giselle. I've rented 6 different places from them and am always happy with the quality of the apartments. Yes, you can find cheaper if you look, but for someone that is coming here for the first time and wants a modern furnished place in a good area, I think they are a good option. In Dec, I had a 1bd place in Las Canitas in a brand new building with a gym, huge rooftop pool, jacuzzi, etc. for $1000/mo.

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I just went through all the 1bedrooms in Recoleta on bytargentina. I was looking for something in the ~1500USD/month range was was really dissapointed. The most expensive apartment was only 1600 and it was old and not impressive at all. Most of the others were in the ~1000$ range and looked like they were 40-50 years old with furniture just as old. Where should I be looking for something that is MODERN, with nice furniture, a nice pool, a decent gym, perhaps a nice tv?

How much should I be expecting to pay for a 1bedroom like this? Is there a better/newer neighborhood I should be looking in?
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:19 PM   #581
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- How much is your average beer at a bar?

Varies a lot depending on what Barrio you're in. Your average bar in Palermo charges about 10-15 pesos (~3-5 USD) and for beers that aren't bottled here (e.g. negro modelo) its going to be on the upper end of that spectrum.


- What's the selection like? Lots of imports?

The selection is very limited. Casa Bar in Recoleta has a few imports. Buenos Aires is not exactly a beer connoisseurs paradise and I don't know of any places with an impressive menu of imports. Hopefully someone can say otherwise. FWIW, Stella and Heineken are locally bottled and reasonably priced.


- Is there a racist vibe there? In the Philippines, Filipinos judge class a lot by how light or dark your skin color is. It's pretty lol.

Seeing as an overwhelming majority of the population is Caucasian, people with dark skin might find that they get looks but there are no overt racist vibes that I know of in Recoleta or Palermo. I get the impression that black people are so rare here that some Argentines (namely the uneducated) rely heavily on stereotypes.


- How open are randos to meeting and befriending foreigners with terrible Spanish accents?

The more effort you put into speaking Spanish, the more open the locals will be to meeting you. If the first thing you say is "hablas ingleeehaah" it will probably inhibit things because they may immediately assume your Spanish is nonexistent and might be a bit self conscious about their English. Even if your Spanish is horrible, locals are pretty receptive to the fact that you're making an effort and will often insist on responding in whatever English they know.
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:08 PM   #582
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I need a good dentist who speaks english, anybody have any ideas?
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:12 PM   #583
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a couple random questions:

when browsing apartment listings it seems they basically expect everyone to be short-term, so you book certain days and other people are free to book the other dates after yours end. Are the owners flexible with you when you want more of a long-term lease but you aren't sure exactly when you'll leave? Ideally I'd like a situation where I have sort of an indefinite lease where I can cancel it just by giving 30 days notice. I'd like to avoid situations where other people book my place for some future date and I get kicked out.

When entering the country you are supposed to have proof of onward travel. I've seen a couple people in this thread say that they just lied and claimed to have a return flight booked on a different airline. This seems sketchy to me and it seems like it could cause a lot of problems if I get caught lying. Since they don't seem to care at all about people extending their tourist visas indefinitely, why do they require this stuff in the first place? Has anyone just tried being honest and telling them, "I plan to extend my visa and stay here quite a while and haven't picked the exact date that I'll leave, but here's my bank statement which shows I'll have no problem buying a plane ticket home whenever I want"? And if I do have to lie, I'd prefer to keep it to a simple white lie like, "I'm going to leave the country by taking the ferry to Uruguay" (and neglect to mention that I'm going to take it back again, of course).

and most randomly of all, one member of our group has expressed interest in going to Lima instead. We've done the basic research on it and we're aware of the pros and cons (apartments in the nicest areas are cheaper but there's less selection, less of a touristy presence in general, and crime is worse in the other areas). If anyone has any personal experiences to share we'd appreciate it.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:24 PM   #584
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sup soah:

1) the standard would probably be to sign a 1-3 month lease for a place, then if you like it speak to the owner about a longer one. An indefinite lease sounds bizzare to me, an idea of a lease is an agreement where you stay somewhere for a pre determined period of time at a pre determined rate with penalites and notice for any changes made by both ends. So an indefinite lease that can be canceled with notice sounds like an oxymoron in a way, I guess you just mean a month-to-month rental arrangement? I guess thats possible if you become friends with the owner.

2) I never had to show any proof of onward travel, I'm not sure why you think you need this.

3) Remember, the key is the laxness of permission to enter the country. Argentina doesn't care about people from rich countries coming and staying for long periods of time, as long as they bring money. Other countries do.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:36 PM   #585
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My understanding is that Lima is a **** hole when compared to BsAs. I've only been to BsAs but my friend does business in Lima and from our discussions I don't think you can even compare a Lima experience to what you'll find in BsAs.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:01 PM   #586
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The only time I have been bothered about an onward ticket is by the airline. This has happened a couple of times flying back to Argentina from the states and a couple of times in other countries. The airlines act like they are trying to observe some travel guideline, but basically they are just making you buy a return ticket when you don't really have any other choice.

So last time I flew back here I got smart and found one of my old travel itineraries and changed the dates and flight number. I showed this to the check-in person and they were none the wiser.

The actual immigration workers could care less. I think one time I was asked to show proof of funds, so I show two debit cards and was sent on my way.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:50 PM   #587
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thanks for the responses

my question with the leases was along the lines of a right to renewal. With a typical rental arrangement the tenants will often renew their lease and the landlord isn't going to be arranging for new tenants to move in until the current tenants have passed on the opportunity to renew. However these apartments are aimed more towards the vacationing types as opposed to actual residents so they do things differently. I'm just wondering what options are available that would allow us to protect the right to renew the lease while maintaining as much flexibility as possible.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:19 AM   #588
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1. When I moved here, I had zero problems with having to show a return date. Maybe they (the airlines) asked me whether I had one at one point, and if so, I said "yes." But that's it. United FTW.

2. Girls in Buenos Aires > girls in Lima. So I have been universally told. Also, Lima is supposed to have really bad pollution. On the plus side, I really miss eating fish, and Lima is supposed to be ceviche heaven.

3. Imakefrush was more negative on Puerto Madero than I would be. Puerto Madero is almost definitely the safest place in the city (the whole city is safe, but Porteno friends tell me they leave bikes unlocked overnight outside and such), and if you want to impress a girl in a club, telling her you live in Puerto Madero might be best. With that said, I don't know any poker players that live there and I wouldn't live in Puerto Madero, although the Puerto Madero wildlife refuge is by far the best place to run anywhere near the city.

4. Beer selection: this city has very little good beer. However, the Dutch bar in Las Canitas does have an excellent selection of imported bottled beers. It's really not that expensive in dollars, but iirc is something like 25-30 pesos a bottle. On the other hand, they really do have good selection, especially of Belgians.

5. Soah -- why are you so concerned about moving? For one, your landlord will probably be very happy to work with you in order to keep you in that apartment. But two, I can't imagine you're going to bring that much with you. Moving is a chance to experience a different neighborhood/part of your current neighborhood.

6. I seriously don't know how some of you can't find nice enough housing. If one site doesn't have anything you like, then go to another one.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:14 AM   #589
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@Soah: I have some friends in Lima, so I am thinking about going there for a couple of months at some point. But if this is your first time to South America, I would not start there cz it's a lot more 'latin' than Buenos Aires, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but maybe just too much of a difference for a first timer.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:15 AM   #590
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it's in my nature to worry about everything
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:28 PM   #591
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My understanding is that Lima is a **** hole when compared to BsAs. I've only been to BsAs but my friend does business in Lima and from our discussions I don't think you can even compare a Lima experience to what you'll find in BsAs.
I lived in BsAs for 4 years and travelled to Lima many, many times. Lima has a few nice areas but doesn't come close to BsAs for livability.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:41 PM   #592
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Can anyone who's been to Iguazu recommend a nice place to spend a night? My parents are coming to visit next month, and I have to book a place for us to stay.
Go with the hotel on the Brazilian side of the falls - Dos Cataratas. It is in the park and you can walk to the falls. The Argentine side of the falls has the better view, but the Brazilian side has a better setting in the nature park. My wife, kids and in-laws loved it.

You might need a visa, because you'll be in Brazil.
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:21 PM   #593
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leaving tomorrow and will down in BA until february 17th if you guys wanna meetup. Would like to go to the tuesday dinner thing too next week
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:37 PM   #594
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also I want to buy a disposable pay as you go cellphone when im down there. Is that easy to do? Can I buy one at the airport or do I need to go to a BA style best buy?
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:06 PM   #595
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Go with the hotel on the Brazilian side of the falls - Dos Cataratas. It is in the park and you can walk to the falls. The Argentine side of the falls has the better view, but the Brazilian side has a better setting in the nature park. My wife, kids and in-laws loved it.

You might need a visa, because you'll be in Brazil.

I actually thought that situation with the views was the other way around. Argentine side had better walks and settings but the Brazilian side was better for views. You need a visa to enter Brazil if you are an American. For most Europeans, I don't think that is true. If you are just doing a day trip to the Brazilian side, you might be able to talk to a taxi cab driver and see if you can make some kind of arrangement so that you can go for a day. Be aware that they might be fined if they get caught and they would expect you to pay.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:09 PM   #596
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also I want to buy a disposable pay as you go cellphone when im down there. Is that easy to do? Can I buy one at the airport or do I need to go to a BA style best buy?
It is fairly easy to do, and I would buy one at a store within the city. I don't think they even sell phones at the airport and I would avoid buying anything there if at all possible.
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:18 AM   #597
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what do you mean by more latin? more brown ppl?? You might as well be direct.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:27 AM   #598
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I actually thought that situation with the views was the other way around. Argentine side had better walks and settings but the Brazilian side was better for views.
Thanks for correcting my mistake, you are right and what I meant to say. That's what I get for reading and adding to this thread while on a boring work conference call. I lost my concentration.

Staying at Dos Catarata on the Brazilian side lets you walk down to the falls and get the better views!
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:02 AM   #599
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Thanks for th recommendations guys, staying in a hotel on the argentine side, but will check out the brazilian side too.
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It is fairly easy to do, and I would buy one at a store within the city. I don't think they even sell phones at the airport and I would avoid buying anything there if at all possible.
No kidding, I paid 9 peso for a can of sprite there. Snakes.
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