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Old 12-20-2011, 08:24 PM   #3301
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I think the way to go about finding a place to live is to skip the agencies. They charge a lot of money but they aren't really more than a way to contact landlords and ease the language difficulties(every landlord I had spoke English though). The contract you sign will be between you and the landlord(even though BYT put their logo and name on it), so if you end up in a twist with the landlord they can't, and probably won't, do anything but try to mediate. They're not exactly ready to go to court for you or anything like that. So if you run into a bad landlord an agency won't make much difference.
I think the way to go about it is to ask 2p2'ers for contact info on reliable and trustworthy apartment owners and then just contact them directly. Then the chance of being jerked off is small and you'll save a decent amount of money - BYTarg took 20% of the advertised price as commission in my case.
I didn't know that until later, so what I did was that I rented an apartment through BYT for a month, and then just extended the lease directly through the apartment owner, saving me 20% of the rental price. I only did it because I felt good about the owner, and every apartment owner in BsAs might not be as honest as him, but of the three that I met, all of them were honest and friendly people.

That said(about agencies) I'd have no problem recommending BYTargentina if you're going to go through an agency.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:56 AM   #3302
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Re: Moving to Buenos Aires discussion

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How do the local economic issues affect you being there?

What kinds of places are you considering next?
Utilities are going to skyrocket. Inflation is driving prices up across the board in an already not cheap city. The most important factor for me is just that banks are unusable here, and since I don't have a canadian moneybookers, I can not cash out in Argentina.

Im all across the board...Shanghai, Netherlands, UK, Taiwan, Curacao, Tel Aviv

I paid 1600 usd total for a ~1200 sq ft 2br in great location.
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:54 PM   #3303
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Utilities are going to skyrocket. Inflation is driving prices up across the board in an already not cheap city. The most important factor for me is just that banks are unusable here, and since I don't have a canadian moneybookers, I can not cash out in Argentina.

Im all across the board...Shanghai, Netherlands, UK, Taiwan, Curacao, Tel Aviv

I paid 1600 usd total for a ~1200 sq ft 2br in great location.
I would say that is a pretty cheap city if you can get that. The places you list above will likely not offer you such a living situation for that price. Doesn't inflation have limited effect on someone making money online in $?

Anyway, aside from all of that, you certainly are all over the board Some cool places there for sure. Are you Jewish? Only reason I ask is that I have heard that if you are you can get Israeli citizenship relatively quickly and a second citizenship could be advantageous. As for the other places, London and Amsterdam are obviously great cities. I have read nice things about Tawain on 2+2 but will certainly be a much bigger trip and feel further from home.

Keep us posted!
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:04 PM   #3304
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I'm a girl looking to live in BA for a while, starting february. I've been wanting to go for a long time but am a bit concerced about the recent economic issues. What are the (concrete) consequences? How much money on average will I need now? I'm probably gonna be staying in a shared apartment for something like $350 max. I have $1000 a month to spend, so that's bout 4000 pesos. Is that enough? I am not looking to spend much, just live comfortably.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:20 PM   #3305
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Budgeting $650 US/month for food and expenses will definitely not lend itself to 'living comfortably' unless comfort for you entails home cooking 3 meals a day and rarely going out to eat or party. I imagine it is pretty doable for the average super nit, but it really doesn't leave much at all for taxis, gym, entertainment, and unforeseen expenditures.
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:30 AM   #3306
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Alright, thanx for the info. How much would be needed then, on average, to live comfortably? It's so hard to find current information, with the crazy inflation and all..
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:06 AM   #3307
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Food from the supermarket is still pretty cheap. Public transportation is still practically free. Eating out/entertainment isn't as cheap as it used to be but it's still reasonable.
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:55 AM   #3308
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Alright, thanx for the info. How much would be needed then, on average, to live comfortably?


Give us some guidance on what it means to you to live comfortably and we will give you better answers.



It's so hard to find current information, with the crazy inflation and all..

Yeah, no ****. None of us know but I'd say all of us seeing prices going way up peso wise and even as the peso goes down I see inflation here going up against the dollar as well. If you had "concrete" information as you asked, you'd be able to make a killing. Really nobody knows, this is a consequence of living here in this time. From the little I've read about you in your posts I'd advise that you have a sure fire way of getting home (daddy that can by a plane ticket or something like that) and if you can, bring actual cash U$D here. You'll be able to sell them at a premium whenever you need.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:32 AM   #3309
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Alright, thanx for the info. How much would be needed then, on average, to live comfortably?


Give us some guidance on what it means to you to live comfortably and we will give you better answers.



It's so hard to find current information, with the crazy inflation and all..

Yeah, no ****. None of us know but I'd say all of us seeing prices going way up peso wise and even as the peso goes down I see inflation here going up against the dollar as well. If you had "concrete" information as you asked, you'd be able to make a killing. Really nobody knows, this is a consequence of living here in this time. From the little I've read about you in your posts I'd advise that you have a sure fire way of getting home (daddy that can by a plane ticket or something like that) and if you can, bring actual cash U$D here. You'll be able to sell them at a premium whenever you need.
I ment concrete and current as in "what does a cup of coffee cost this week". Or how much does a cinema ticket cost or a gallon of milk. I'm sure you have paid for something this week I know just as any other person that these are unsure times, and I know that these prices could be different in a few days, but having something to go by would really help. BA delivery is ok for looking up food prices but other things are welcome too.

Sorry for not giving more information. Living comfortably for me would entail going out for drinks a few times a week, do some shopping (I like vintage and would be interested in local Argentinian designers - no middle of the road stores), and eat good. I like cooking and also like eating out (but at most 1/2 times a week and not expensive restaurants). I usually take the subway and I like jogging so won't be going to the gym. I am a smoker though. So in general I would spend the most on food, drinks and clothes.

I'm not American so won't be bringing US dollars but euros and obviously more then I was thinking but I definitely don't have or need a daddy to buy me a ticket

Thanks both of you!

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Old 12-24-2011, 02:59 PM   #3310
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My gf and I lived pretty comfortably on $1500ish pesos ($350) USD withdrawn per week and that is for 2 people. Seeing that I like to cook, we ate in a fair amount of times but also would go out about once or twice a week. I think once you get your fridge stocked with essentials, it is quite easy to go shopping and you need to buy less and less per week. Our gym was quite expensive by US prices. I think for 5 months it was about $70USD per month... Hard going from a place that is $10 a month to that. BA has great parks for running. Most drinks at bars run anywhere from $5-10 USD. $10 being at nice place like Bar Million.

Clothes and electronics will definitely be the most outrageously priced items in BA.

Espresso is probably $2.50-$3 USD
Plate of pasta $10
Slice of pizza $2 USD
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:41 PM   #3311
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Thank you so much, that is really helpful info! Exactly what I wanted to know So according to your info I should be able to come by with 4000 pesos, that's interesting.
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:29 AM   #3312
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Hey Yasmin,

To be honest I would say that given your budget your plan would hinge on what you plan for accommodation. If you plan on getting your own place in a safe (not necessarily nice) neighbourhood, you're probably going to be pressed to stay on track of $1k per month (Presuming you want to go out a few times per week, buy some clothes etc). If you're planning on sharing a place, it becomes a lot more viable but it would depend once again on what you are planning on paying, what part of town you wanna be in etc.

Drinking out in BA I don't consider cheap. I mean, I think its expensive in a relative sense in that a 1L bottle of beer in a supermarket is 6 pesos where in a bar it will be 24. A bottle of vodka is like 40 pesos (I think it might be a bit more now). A vodka + x at a bar will be 30 pesos. Of course you can find places that are cheaper/have happy hour, but yeah.

Clothing is not cheap either (Argentinian or imported), however leather goods are well priced compared to western nations.

Another thing, taxi's are no longer as cheap as they were say 1 year ago which you should take into account depending on where your going to be living and nightlife spots

Some prices I can think of off the top of my head n pesos (From Supermarket):

- Pack of Smokes $8
- 1L of Beer (Local) $6
- Bottle of Wine $35-50
- 1 KG of Chicken breast - $35-50
- 1 KG of steak - $40
- Can of Pringles - $17
- 500g Pasta - $6

Shoot me a pm if you have anymore questions. PS If you come here. Bring $US. You can no longer change pesos -> $, only $ -> pesos, a lot of real estate agencies/landlords will give you a **** rate if you insist on pesos.

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Old 12-29-2011, 03:45 AM   #3313
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Actually revising what I just wrote regarding accommodation. You won't be able to do it for US$1k if you plan on having your own place, you would have to do a sharehouse deal.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:11 PM   #3314
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Any great food or fruit markets anyone recommends? I don't mean grocery shopping as much as fun and nice quality markets...
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:06 PM   #3315
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Any great food or fruit markets anyone recommends? I don't mean grocery shopping as much as fun and nice quality markets...
I usually get most of my stuff at the supermarkets or vegetable stores on the corner but if I'm looking for anything that is slightly out there I hit up chinatown.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:31 PM   #3316
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Thanks. Is there any decent soccer to be seen during January? My understanding is the primary league is off now, but I am not sure if there is other decent options and no clue where to look..
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:28 PM   #3317
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The preseason summer league happens in touristy areas...Mar del Plata, Mendoza, Salta, etc
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Old 01-10-2012, 12:15 AM   #3318
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Thanks. I read Americans need a visa to visit Brazil. If he is already in BA and looking to make a sidetrip to Brazil without having secured a visa from the Brazilian embassy in the US, is there another option?

Also, random Q, but favorite place, neighborhood, thing you have done in BA that one might not ever find from just reading the normal to do's as a visitor.
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Old 01-10-2012, 01:07 AM   #3319
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You can get a Brazilian visa from the Brazilian Embassy here in Argentina, it's very conveniently located on 9 de Julio (Main Avenue).

I know a lot of mates had a real headache getting it in Australia with all the bureaucracy, the wait time was like 4 weeks? I got one this year and last year within 24 hours. There was a big long list of rubbish they gave to me at the information booth in the consulate (Bank Statement, Copies of Credit cards etc etc). However, when I rocked up with all of the requirements last year, they simply asked me "Do you have money?" "Are you planning on leaving?", then it was a simple, come back tomorrow before 12.

Same thing happened this year when I applied, 24 hours later it was approved. Just had to give them your passport + a passport sized photo and fill out an application form they have on the computers there. I've also heard you can get them basically instantaneously on the border at Iguazu, but I don't know first-hand if that's true.

PS - Embassy has pretty horrific opening times, like 8am-1pm i think :\.
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Old 01-10-2012, 01:31 AM   #3320
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Also, random Q, but favorite place, neighborhood, thing you have done in BA that one might not ever find from just reading the normal to do's as a visitor.
PM me and I can tell you about lots of fun things.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:53 AM   #3321
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Any great food or fruit markets anyone recommends? I don't mean grocery shopping as much as fun and nice quality markets...
There are some organic/agroecological markets.

http://www.elgalpon.org.ar/index.php (in Chacarita)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001877204760 (Palermo)

http://www.sabelatierra.com/ (San Fernando, like 1hr trip but it is the only one that is 100% outdoor)
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Old 01-10-2012, 02:59 PM   #3322
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Thanks. I read Americans need a visa to visit Brazil. If he is already in BA and looking to make a sidetrip to Brazil without having secured a visa from the Brazilian embassy in the US, is there another option?

Also, random Q, but favorite place, neighborhood, thing you have done in BA that one might not ever find from just reading the normal to do's as a visitor.
There was a gated community out of town that my host took me to for a family asado...the place was pristine but i can't remember the name. My favorite parts of BA were the asados that I went to, such a different atmosphere from the states, i love it.
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:53 AM   #3323
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I'm going to be spending 3 months in BA in the near future and am looking for volunteering opportunities. Manual labor is a no go, and I would like it to be something it which I can make use of and improve my spanish. Ideal gig would be a couple afternoons a week and an easy commute from the Palermo/Recoleta area. With those parameters, any suggestions of organizations to look into?
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Old 01-11-2012, 05:50 AM   #3324
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http://lifeargentina.org/
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Old 01-11-2012, 06:38 PM   #3325
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http://www.zoolujan.com/

Pretty much a wild animal park. In Lujan, took 45 mins to and hour to get there from the city.
Was awesome! Got to pet tigers and lions. Was one of the highlights and not in guidebooks last I checked.
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