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Originally Posted by razorbacker
Next on my wish list is for John Lawrence to re-open the Cobra Kai Dojo.
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Originally Posted by TheCroShow
Embarrassed for those of you talking about "No stakes" in Creed. A young man trying to make a name for himself, trying to hide his past. His father he never knew overshadows him. He has so much to prove to himself. He has so much to prove to the world. He never had a father growing up. He begins securing happier things in life: father figure, girlfriend, success in boxing...but yeah "No stakes." It's a terrific film. Second best behind Rocky. Seems the parallels between Rocky and Creed flew over your heads. I feel bad for y'all.
Oh goodie, now I get to post about this again. Keep an eye out for my hot take at the end.
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So, the film is clearly inferior to Rocky Balboa, and I have a number of theories on why it's better reviewed (according to RT) and why people keep saying it's second best.
At the time that Rocky Balboa came out (2006), franchises making a comeback after being dormant for decades wasn't as big a thing as it is now. The sentiment around that film from inception to release was a huge "lol", and rightly so. The idea of a near-60 year old Rocky coming back was ludicrous, and there hadn't been a good movie in the franchise since 1976. That it came out and was good was stunning. It was good (or great if you really love the character and the first film), and the only flippant remarks that were made after release were by people who did not bother to actually see it, mistakenly thinking they were still supposed to pretend it was the stupidest idea in the history of film (which it was, until Sly managed to make it work). Or sometimes, you'd have the people who did see it and thought they were supposed to laugh at it the whole time instead of trying to engage.
Today, seeing old characters and franchises come back and continue is common, and nobody batted an eye about The Next Rocky. It was seen by people with more open minds, and deservedly was given a "thumbs up" by most people.
Better than Balboa though? No. You skipped that film or you are lying to yourself. TheCroShow makes a silly attempt at explaining why there are high stakes (and I'm sorry we got caught up on this point), but I could make the same types of statements about powerful character motivations in Rocky V and that doesn't turn it into a good movie.
The insinuation that the parallels "flew over [my] head" is also absurd. I've already detailed the parallels between the final fights and how Creed doesn't pull it off as well. Rocky Balboa was in a way a retelling of Rocky, with things warped around just a little bit to be about a 60 year old man instead of a 30 year old. Creed is also a retelling, but the problem is that it comes second, after another highly competent retelling already happened.
In truth, I think that Balboa and Creed are about even up to the final fight. They both have groaner moments, some questionable acting and writing, but are basically "good enough". (If you want to deny that Creed has many scenes of mediocrity you're delusional, completely fooling yourself - really.) Balboa elevates itself with a fantastic final fight, which I've already gone over. Creed does not stick that landing. It's a fine film but it's not the second best in the series.
[hot take]So on 2p2 and on the internet at large you have a large contingent of people who worship The Wire. People would very much like to see Michael B. Jordan, a Wire alum and a promising young actor, succeed. Because of how much they want to see him succeed, some are willing to overlook a mediocre performance and overrate a decent movie (apparently now "terrific", at least).[/hot take]