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10-22-2013 , 01:18 AM
I believe that cinema is a combination of many factors and the cinematography is definitely one of them, but when you critique a movie, all things should be considered, like the script, the soundtrack, the characters, the camera etc.

As far as being realistic, I think it is a wrong choice of word. A movie should be credible. Meaning that it signs, from the beginning, a sort of thematic contract with the viewer ; a fantasy movie will for example open a breach into a fictional world where all is possible, and yet the viewer will accept this as a given. The same could be said about Gravity or Jurassic Park where we are confronted, as viewers, with events that are extraordinary and therefore introduces us into a different reality. What can be interpreted as realistic should be seen with our new found viewer's eyes, not with the ones we walked into the theatre with.
10-22-2013 , 01:55 AM
My first thought of something not being realistic, but that not being a problem was Pyramus and Thisbe. Not a great example, I know, because it's not supposed to be great, but it lead me to this:

http://www.maniacworld.com/Pyramus-and-Thisbe.html
10-22-2013 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gonzirra
Gravity

This is a lot harder for me to review than your typical movie.

Where it's strong (the cinematography and CG) it's exceptional, to the point of being a masterpiece in those areas. To me it's about on par with what the first Jurassic Park did in it's day, CG-wise, as far as setting the bar. Only with vastly more style, clarity, and [extremely] long continuous shots that were tastefully done.

Where it's not strong (the story and characters), it's just cheesy, cliche, predictable and just very shallow. George Clooney and Sandra Bullock are two astronauts. I can't tell you much about them, and don't really care about either. Clooney was the same Clooney he's been in just about every character he's ever been. And I know there are people raving about Bullock but I must have failed to see whatever they did. Characters aren't really a big part of this movie.

I don't want to spoil the story but honestly there's not much to spoil. Like at all. If you're seen the trailer you know the setup. I kind of expected a lot of flashbacks, some sort of character development, or just something to make it all more meaningful than just a desperate survival action movie.

I guess it all comes down to what you require out of a big blockbuster-type movie. For my part I don't mind buying tickets purely for a visual eye-candy movie, and at that regard it delivers everything I think you could possibly ask of a (mostly non-scifi) space disaster movie. It's just one of those where you just have to see it and ideally on the big screen. However some people may want to see real characters and more than a super-simple plot. They tried to throw a little in with Clooney-ness and another cringeworthy radio bit but not really.

A movie that comes immediately to mind in comparison is Apollo 13, given the similar circumstances. But it's the differences between the films and not similarities make me compare them. Where Gravity is a visual spectacle and empty-ish character- and story-wise, Apollo 13 was the opposite. And while I think the design of Gravity deserves every award it's going to receive, the latter ****s all over it as a movie. I've see that a few times and not sure I'll ever watch this again beyond a few minutes here or there when channel surfing.

Usually I'd put a letter grade on it but again, it's all what the viewer values for their ticket price. It's unquestionably an A+ movie visually and great technical achievement, so if that's enough by itself then yeah must see and on a good screen. The rest is a C- if that, and I'm disappointed that such a high level of work had so little meat to the story. This potentially could have been an all-time classic had they put more into that end of it.
I would argue that if anything the movie had too much back story and not too little. Any time they went away from focusing on space for backstory was meh and any flashbacks would have been a travesty. This movie had one phenomenal character that was developed nicely: space. And that's really the only character it needed.

I would give the movie an A- with the only detraction being the added backstory they shoehorned in for Bullock's character.

Its been a long time since I've seen Apollo 13 but isn't it generally regarded as Hollywood cheese? It seems like you like the stuff Hollywood tries to force into every movie a lot more than I do. I for one applaud the simplicity of Gravity. It does have somewhat limited rewatchability, but that's beside the point. I would never consider watching it on TV but would totally go see it again in IMAX3D every few years for the rest of my life.

Last edited by WalterS; 10-22-2013 at 02:57 AM.
10-22-2013 , 07:47 PM
The way way back. Super awesome coming of age flick. I might just be a huge nerd for these though..
10-22-2013 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sonnyalbo
The way way back. Super awesome coming of age flick. I might just be a huge nerd for these though..
Heh felt the same way. Although I think I like The Spectacular Now and Kings of Summer more.
10-22-2013 , 08:15 PM
^on the watchlist they go. Thanks
10-23-2013 , 06:50 AM
Eric Bana Chopper? Aussie friend loaned me the dvd
10-23-2013 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dubnjoy000
I believe that cinema is a combination of many factors and the cinematography is definitely one of them, but when you critique a movie, all things should be considered, like the script, the soundtrack, the characters, the camera etc.

As far as being realistic, I think it is a wrong choice of word. A movie should be credible. Meaning that it signs, from the beginning, a sort of thematic contract with the viewer ; a fantasy movie will for example open a breach into a fictional world where all is possible, and yet the viewer will accept this as a given. The same could be said about Gravity or Jurassic Park where we are confronted, as viewers, with events that are extraordinary and therefore introduces us into a different reality. What can be interpreted as realistic should be seen with our new found viewer's eyes, not with the ones we walked into the theatre with.
Ideally, we'd be able to watch a film with new eyes, not the ones we walked into the theater with, but everyone comes to a story with inescapable preconceptions of how reality functions. A good storyteller understands their audience's preconceptions and how to exploit those to offer a credible version of reality. Even with a fantasy story, where all should be possible, a storyteller can't ignore narrative fidelity.
10-23-2013 , 08:42 AM
the more you study something... the more you change it.
10-23-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
You want realism, watch C-Span.
Too often, though, while watching C-Span and listening to certain politicians, I think to myself "This is unbe-****ing-lievable!"
10-23-2013 , 08:49 PM
I'm watching this 1979 Paul Schrader movie called Hardcore about a guy looking for his daughter in porn Hollywood. Goddamn good ****. Wish they still made edgy **** like this
10-23-2013 , 10:46 PM
for a minute there... I had flash backs of Lydia Lunch in Richard Kern's "hardcore" series.

those movies never made the transition to DVD I don't think.
10-24-2013 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
I'm watching this 1979 Paul Schrader movie called Hardcore about a guy looking for his daughter in porn Hollywood. Goddamn good ****. Wish they still made edgy **** like this
The scene where Scott sees his daughter on screen for the first time is just brutal.
10-24-2013 , 01:08 AM
I've wanted to see that movie in forever, but it's not on any streaming sites, or rental sites, or Amazon (unless you play a ridiculous price), or anywhere. I just keep waiting for it to appear on TV one late night.
10-24-2013 , 03:55 AM
I wanted to watch it but the cheapest I found it was Cex for £5 (perpetually out of stock) or some ebay listings around £10-which I'm not wiling to pay for a DVD I'm unsure about. Just hoping sky will stock it sometime.
10-24-2013 , 06:30 AM
Yeah it was on some Sony movie channel I didn't know I even had on Uverse. Was scrolling and saw an ao rated movie called hardcore so i stopped obviously. It showed just 1 later playtime also last night so I recorded. Can't wait to watch in full
10-24-2013 , 07:21 AM
I saw an old Jimmy Stewart Spencer Tracy movie on TCM last night, Malaya. Fun to see Tracy playing a semi-rogue, Stewart too. They're trying to smuggle rubber out of Japanese-occupied Malaya in 1942. Sydney Greenstreet helps them out some.

I assume Malaya was what they called Malaysia back then.
10-24-2013 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCroShow
When I attended two film festivals recently, friends and family on Facebook wondered if I won a contest. "You interviewed Keanu Reeves? Did you win a contest?" No i did not! Rather than get annoyed I thought I'd write a blog post explaining what I do with my free time.

I'm proud to present "Film Writing - This is What I Do" give it a read will ya? http://ptjudgmentday.tumblr.com/post...s-is-what-i-do
I finished my wrap-up post. I attended two festivals in a row and hate myself for it! link Spoiler, there are embedded Vine videos!!!
10-24-2013 , 12:44 PM
After sadly realizing 12YAS was not a wide release last week, I'm eagerly looking forward to The Counselor. Will be seeing it Saturday afternoon.

Also a bunch of films have been delayed, including Monuments Men which is kind of surprising.
10-24-2013 , 01:32 PM
Twelve Years a Slave is playing where I am. The Counselor comes out this weekend. Thinking I might have to make it a double feature day.
10-24-2013 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
The scene where Scott sees his daughter on screen for the first time is just brutal.
Seriously, the only online clip of this is in mashups, but you getthe idea:

10-24-2013 , 04:12 PM
lol...that's pretty funny
10-24-2013 , 07:30 PM
Early critics decidedly mixed/negative on The Counselor.
10-24-2013 , 08:05 PM
WAT

I refuse to believe it is anything but spectacular.
10-24-2013 , 08:21 PM
Man of Steel

Wow, what a let down. Thought it was very poor.

      
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