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Originally Posted by microbet
Are they Billionaires though?
How old are you brovis? Do you think people invented swinging in 2008?
Google Guy Laliberté.
My point was not that its been recently invented. My point is alternative or open relationships are becoming much more common.
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Originally Posted by Ryan Firpo
I love EWS, but these comments seem surprisingly off-base for a Clovis post. Firstly, I've never heard anyone say they didn't like it because it was fake. I think people don't like it because they claim the story is meandering and unfocused. We navigate some strange worlds without ever achieving any real clarity. Is this a movie about a cheating husband? About a doctor solving a murder? About a man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is now on the run from some Illuminati type cult? It's confusing, and I've found that, for the most part, nothing illicit more negativity from an audience than confusion. To describe it as a "basically a documentary" about anything seems odd. Clovis, I'm sure you know that EWS was based on Traumnovelle, an Austrian novella from the 1920s that basically translates as "Dream Story". The film is fantastical and dream-like -- anything but "documentary" in its approach. I'm sure this is not what you meant, but this was certainly not an attempt by Kubrick to document some strange subset of sexuality that's become increasingly common with the billionaire club in the modern era. Kubrick first wanted to make what ultimately became EWS in 1970. You obviously understand the central themes at play -- mainly sexual fidelity in monogamous relationships (I mean, you are Clovis, after all). I was just surprised by the angle you took in addressing the film's detractors.
My choice of the term documentary was unfortunate as the film does obviously have a surreal quality, by design. My point, which was clearly poorly made, was the reaction against the sexuality at the time of the release, including the insane CGI people, was both idiotic and predictable. To this day I hear people comment on how fake the orgy scene is when if fact something nearly identical happens all of the world on a weekly, if not daily basis.
Your criticisms of the films lack of focus are fair and that is clearly its weakest point.
I think I appreciate the film because it is one of the few mainstream movies which deals in anyway with the idea that monogamy is not a given (although the film itself comes down on the side of monogamy and is actually pretty conservative, which is unfortunate).