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09-15-2013 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Poly, triads, multiple partners and swinging are increasingly common. Ten seconds of googling will show that you can be invited to a similar orgy if you are willing to travel and pay
Are they Billionaires though?

How old are you brovis? Do you think people invented swinging in 2008?
09-15-2013 , 03:59 PM
Re: EWS, it's interesting to point out that Kubrick considers it his best film -- according to his brother-in-law/executive producer Jan Harlan. A direct quote from the linked interview:

I am very happy to know that he considered Eyes Wide Shut his greatest contribution to the art of filmmaking – and I think he is the only judge that matters.

I think that adds a little spice to the debate...
09-15-2013 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan Firpo
Re: EWS, it's interesting to point out that Kubrick considers it his best film -- according to his brother-in-law/executive producer Jan Harlan. A direct quote from the linked interview:

I am very happy to know that he considered Eyes Wide Shut his greatest contribution to the art of filmmaking – and I think he is the only judge that matters.

I think that adds a little spice to the debate...
He didn't have much time to ruminate on it. He died before it was released.
09-15-2013 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
The reaction to EWS was so typically and puritanically American with people who have never had sex, other than in the missionary position, arguing the film was fake when in fact it's basically a documentary of a rather common subset of sexuality. It's also a very subtle and realistic examination of sexual fidelity in the modern era.
I love EWS, but these comments seem surprisingly off-base for a Clovis post. Firstly, I've never heard anyone say they didn't like it because it was fake. I think people don't like it because they claim the story is meandering and unfocused. We navigate some strange worlds without ever achieving any real clarity. Is this a movie about a cheating husband? About a doctor solving a murder? About a man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is now on the run from some Illuminati type cult? It's confusing, and I've found that, for the most part, nothing illicit more negativity from an audience than confusion. To describe it as a "basically a documentary" about anything seems odd. Clovis, I'm sure you know that EWS was based on Traumnovelle, an Austrian novella from the 1920s that basically translates as "Dream Story". The film is fantastical and dream-like -- anything but "documentary" in its approach. I'm sure this is not what you meant, but this was certainly not an attempt by Kubrick to document some strange subset of sexuality that's become increasingly common with the billionaire club in the modern era. Kubrick first wanted to make what ultimately became EWS in 1970. You obviously understand the central themes at play -- mainly sexual fidelity in monogamous relationships (I mean, you are Clovis, after all). I was just surprised by the angle you took in addressing the film's detractors.
09-15-2013 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
He didn't have much time to ruminate on it. He died before it was released.
I don't think that's fair. He had been trying to make this film since 1970, and then when he finally made it, (I believe) it took him approximately 5 years to complete. Kubrick is probably the most intellectually powerful filmmaker we've ever seen. He had enough time to know wether it was good or not. The reaction from an audience wasn't going to affect his opinion one way or another.
09-15-2013 , 05:40 PM
Kubrick is my favorite, but imo the problems with EWS have more to do with it being focused on things that he's not nearly as good at as his other films. It's not the weirdness or sexuality. It's the attempt to put too much normalcy in the middle of it with the main characters and Tom Cruise is not a good choice for the regular guy of the movie.

I don't mean this as an insult, because these are some of my favorite movies, but the great great parts of Dr. Strangelove (Sterling Hayden, Slim Pickens, Keenan Wynn in particular) or Full Metal Jacket (R. Lee Ermey) or Clockwork Orange (Malcolm McDowell) are not about deeply developed characters. In Kubrick at his best imo, the actors are a bit cartoonish, but very artfully so, and the depth of the film comes much more for the whole of the storytelling, visual settings, music, cuts/editing than most films.

EWS has some of what I really like about Kubrick, but there are just many many times in the film where I feel it's, I don't know, too stuck in the immediate drama.
09-15-2013 , 06:31 PM
Micro, watch The Player asap man, great movie.
09-15-2013 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Are they Billionaires though?

How old are you brovis? Do you think people invented swinging in 2008?
Google Guy Laliberté.

My point was not that its been recently invented. My point is alternative or open relationships are becoming much more common.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Firpo
I love EWS, but these comments seem surprisingly off-base for a Clovis post. Firstly, I've never heard anyone say they didn't like it because it was fake. I think people don't like it because they claim the story is meandering and unfocused. We navigate some strange worlds without ever achieving any real clarity. Is this a movie about a cheating husband? About a doctor solving a murder? About a man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is now on the run from some Illuminati type cult? It's confusing, and I've found that, for the most part, nothing illicit more negativity from an audience than confusion. To describe it as a "basically a documentary" about anything seems odd. Clovis, I'm sure you know that EWS was based on Traumnovelle, an Austrian novella from the 1920s that basically translates as "Dream Story". The film is fantastical and dream-like -- anything but "documentary" in its approach. I'm sure this is not what you meant, but this was certainly not an attempt by Kubrick to document some strange subset of sexuality that's become increasingly common with the billionaire club in the modern era. Kubrick first wanted to make what ultimately became EWS in 1970. You obviously understand the central themes at play -- mainly sexual fidelity in monogamous relationships (I mean, you are Clovis, after all). I was just surprised by the angle you took in addressing the film's detractors.
My choice of the term documentary was unfortunate as the film does obviously have a surreal quality, by design. My point, which was clearly poorly made, was the reaction against the sexuality at the time of the release, including the insane CGI people, was both idiotic and predictable. To this day I hear people comment on how fake the orgy scene is when if fact something nearly identical happens all of the world on a weekly, if not daily basis.

Your criticisms of the films lack of focus are fair and that is clearly its weakest point.

I think I appreciate the film because it is one of the few mainstream movies which deals in anyway with the idea that monogamy is not a given (although the film itself comes down on the side of monogamy and is actually pretty conservative, which is unfortunate).
09-15-2013 , 09:35 PM
I'm catching The Act of Killing DC tomorrow night. I'm super stoked!
09-15-2013 , 10:27 PM
My God... Samsara in 8k technology is out outstandingly superb!



I am so glad I was able to purchase it for a reasonable price.
09-16-2013 , 01:27 AM
Oblivion (2013): pretty standard late career Tom Cruise stuff.

Unforgiven (1992): still great. Clint played the best BAMF.
09-16-2013 , 02:11 AM
Tom Cruise is one lucky guy
09-16-2013 , 07:54 AM
I spoiled the hell out of Oblivion. Not sure if I'd have had a different perception not knowing every twist beforehand, but all of the reviews said the twists were obvious so idgaf. It was an entertaining, competent sci-fi thriller. I get the feeling the graphic novel was a better experience, even if everything about it was word for word adapted.
09-16-2013 , 12:19 PM
Bieber as Robin

Justin Bieber as Batman’s little chum?

Bat-fans, who are already furious at the notion of Ben Affleck as their beloved Dark Knight, got another shock when pop star Bieber suggested he might join Affleck in the upcoming flick “Batman vs. Superman.”

His role? Robin the sidekick.

On Sunday, Twitter was abuzz over the prospect. A few Bieber fans wished the 19-year-old crooner the best. But the sentiment was overwhelmingly against the idea of Bieber as the Boy Wonder, at least online.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...#ixzz2f4bOfz97
09-16-2013 , 12:23 PM
I'm done with all superhero movies if this is true. Don't get me wrong, I'm already semi-done with them (haven't seen any Iron Man, Superman or Avengers) but if this happens, I'm superdone with them.
09-16-2013 , 12:40 PM
I've been done with them for years now...

There are few exceptions, but I RARELY pay to see one of the main stream franchises.



Last edited by MSchu18; 09-16-2013 at 01:02 PM.
09-16-2013 , 12:55 PM


laugh and the world laughs with you
09-16-2013 , 01:38 PM
Cage is brilliant. I love that he's willing to go so much further than other actors.
But him punching out the chick while in the bear costume is the funniest thing ever.
09-16-2013 , 02:10 PM
Cage is one of those decent actors who does way too many **** films, it's always disheartening to hear about him doing Ghost Rider 3 or National Treasure 4 or whatever terrible film he's doing now. Sort of like Hanks. Classic Nicholas Cage is awesome though. Also, Con Air is underrated IMO.

Last edited by Jeedz; 09-16-2013 at 02:22 PM.
09-16-2013 , 02:20 PM
yeah... I dig cage also.

but I have to also agree, that some of the movie choices he does are extremely -EV.

I just posted that video because it so awesome.
09-16-2013 , 02:41 PM
Cage makes every film he's in better IMO. Only Caine is better at that than Cage.
09-16-2013 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Cage makes every film he's in better IMO. Only Caine is better at that than Cage.
Morgan Freeman and Jack Nicholson could also fit this category.
09-16-2013 , 04:06 PM
It's hard to imagine even Nicholson pulling off Bad Lieutenant though.
09-16-2013 , 04:21 PM
Yeah, I did top 5 actors who always improve a movie recently. Mine were bottom to top:

Kurt Russell
Sean Connery
Christopher Walken
Nick Cage
Michael Caine
09-16-2013 , 04:25 PM
One guy who comes to mind, Sam Rockwell. The man is an all star.

      
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