Been watching the episodes I - III of Star Wars while grading papers...holy crap, The Last Jedi is ****ing 2001: A Space Odyssey compared to the Phantom Menace. I had seen it since it was first release, but many, is it bad. Horribly, horribly written and directed by Lucas. If it wasn't Star Wars, it'd be on par with The Ice Pirates or a Troma movie.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi - You get light saber battles, X-Wing and Tie Fighter battles, Jedi and Sith, the empire and rebels, etc. etc. A ho-hum movie that covers all the bases for Star Wars fans. Disney has definitely succeeded in bringing the Marvel formula to Star Wars.

At least George Lucas tried to do something interesting with the prequels. He was using lots of CGI and digital filmmaking techniques and even though the movies were awful and the special effects look terrible now, they aren't soulless paint-by-numbers movies like all the Disney Star Wars movies have been. So respect to George for that.

The last Jedi.

So meh I can't even put into words. It's not even worth seeing tbh. It was OK for the Force Awakens to retread old ground to bring us back to the originals and help us forget the prequels. But for the second one you have to take risks. You have to have surprises. It was just completely formulaic and not one surprising or interesting thing happens in the whole movie.

It's definitely way worse than Force Awakens and Rogue One.

Not sure why the critics have not picked this up but audiences definitely have.

Very disappointed.

Like what the **** was Snoke all about? Did they let Lucas back to write his character and plot? Kylo Ren, I was hoping for his character to be redeemed in quality after the force awakens where he was the worst thing about it but if anything he gets worse.

Where are we with the plot now? No further on. If anything we went backwards. And with what to show for it?

Actually the more I think about the film the worse it gets.

Rose? Are you kidding me?

LOL. So since a few 2+2ers didn't like the movie, that's enough evidence for you to conclude that the 277 reviewers on RT who liked it are of lower intellect and basically full of ****?

I would be willing to wager that the vast majority of people who go to see the movie have never seen The Room. And many, like my wife, wouldn't even have heard of it before. And for the record, my wife thoroughly enjoyed the movie. As did I.

for me personally? absolutely

There really isn't a greater argument for nostalgia affecting how we view film than ROTJ. I'm actually in the process of re-watching it and there's so much wrong with it, yet I can't help but enjoy it. I actually laughed because one of the most hated on scenes in Revenge of the Sith is when Padme says "hold me, like you did on Naboo", and in ROTJ Leia says "hold me" to Han in a similarly lame fashion.

I'm not here to argue that TFA or TLJ are flawless films, they aren't. I also don't agree with you when you say these are movies for kids, because I think they, particularly the original 3, touch on some adult themes and do a good job of it. What irks me though is when detractors of the new movies act as though the original 3 are flawless works of art. To act like if Return of the Jedi came out today it would hold up against the insane scrutiny these new movies deal with is disingenuous at best.

Note: I am an enormous Star Wars fan, especially the originals so this isn't meant to be seen as hate.

lol yeah, I'd believe the 12 people on this forum who post reviews more than all of RT. And I liked The Last Jedi!

I had this conversation with another last jedi lover and new hope devotee... when new hope was originally released, we were a much simpler movie audience with nowhere near as much sophistication and exposure to advanced film making like we are today.

This growth and evolution has ZERO effect on the beauty of the original new hope, it's still a great movie even though it was derivative of other classic stories... however it has everything to do with the extremely disappointing last jedi.

Folks always seem to tout... "but it's exactly the same movie/experience"... exactly my point, The last jedi is caught trying to emulate the originals magic.

As a movie going audience in the 21st century, we are ready for much more than child like formalism...

This is what makes essentially the same universe, rogue one, so great... There are consequence to actions taken, people actually die... just like reality.

This is my probably favorite scene from the original trilogy (oddly enough it's in ROTJ):



There's actually a ton going on here, and while I haven't seen TFA, I doubt there's anywhere close to this much emotion in the entire film.

Agreed 100%

Mark Hamil's acting really isn't that good unfortunately. A lot of the acting in the movies is pretty sub par really.

Also nice thoughts about the editing, I hadn't thought of that.

The fight between Darth Vader and Obi Wan is maybe my favorite for the Darth Vader dialogue, but aesthetically all the scenes with the Emperor in ROTJ are great. And of course Vader/James Earl Jones. Mark Hammil pretty much made every scene he was in worse except maybe the final blowing up of the Death Star in the original SW.

Frozen tho.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum is Inside Out. This is probably one of the most intelligent movies I've seen in a long time, and it's a kids movie.

So, it's possible to both dupe your audience with an old box of tricks on one hand, while on the other hand it's also possible to make a really clever and original movie, both of which will appeal to a wider audience.

TLJ does neither or anything inbetween, mainly because while they ticked most of the set-piece boxes, they forgot to actually write any kind of story at all.

Darth and Obi-wan is a great scene. It really gets better on rewatch after you know more of the story too. Now it's far more important to have a flashy fight scene. All of the scenes with the emperor are great too as you said.


Just saw Lady Bird and it is fantastic. The lead actress is amazing. I had not seen her in anything but I guess she's pretty well known. The story is great, and even if it's predictable it does everything so well. It's by far this year's best comedy, but also delivers so much more... especially if you graduated around the same time this takes place (2002-2003) like I did.

I think basically the spin off movies will continue to be good (Rogue One was excellent IMO), but The Last Jedi has really soured my expectations on the quality of the future main story film(s).

Haha I liked Last Jedi even more on second watch.

Still a 4/5 for me

But 94% of those 12 posters haven't said they dislike TFA. Jones is arguing that simply because a few here didn't like it, that invalidates the overall positive reviews it has received on RT. And for the record, I haven't seen TFA yet, but I had planned to regardless of the reviews.

That's cool...

It's not an afront against folks who liked the film that some of us were disappointed.

This is "Show Business" after all.

For some reason, I can't watch these Star Wars movies any longer. Perhaps because I tried to watch TFA at home, I found what I could stay awake for interminable. Maybe I'm just old and cranky.

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There's so many weird logical holes as well. Like why does the lady who stayed behind on the ship take forever to use it as a cannon? Why didn't she do that earlier and maybe save some more of the escape pods? Or why didn't she use the ship as a shield or something, she just sat there.

Why the hell didn't they tell Poe the plan given his hot headedness and willingness to mutiny if he thought was the right course of action.

What was the point of Finn and Rose in this movie?

There were a few cool bits in the film. I enjoyed Luke meeting R2.

Also the detail where they showed Kylo's feet making red marks in the salt but Luke was not, like he was ethereal or floating, so giving the clue that he wasn't actually there.

The story is just so thin. The bads were so terrible. The plot went nowhere. So much pointlessness. Most importantly nothing unpredictable or interesting or surprising. It was like I'd seen the film before. That was OK for Force Awakens but man you need to do something different.

Yeah I think that Star Wars is supposed to be a children's franchise. The only problem is that people have spent their whole lives watching these and being fans and now that they middle aged they're still expect to be entertained just as when they were children.

Don’t agree with most of these so I’ll try to give my thoughts

1. I think this is just a poor sense of timing by the director. There were a dozen pods and they’re firing cannons at them. She didn’t take 30 minutes to make a decision here. Just the time it takes to turn a ship that size around means she made the decision within a couple minutes.

2. She doesn’t know Poe. Doesn’t she specifically say “I know your type” when he comes up to her to demand to know the plan. She knows of him and knows he just got demoted which is less of a reason to tell him specifically.

3. Agree the whole Finn and Rose stuff was garbage though.

4. Luke not making marks isn’t a logical hole. Kylo should notice that and realize but a major part of his character is his emotional instability. It’s the reason his lightsaber is unstable as well compared to Luke’s. He thinks he’s the next Vader facing down the man who wanted to destroy him and did destroy his idol so he becomes blinded. That’s all consistent to me.

5. I think Kylo is a worthy villain actually. Out of all of the superhero movies of the 2000s is there a better villain? Loki is the only one that comes to mind that’s even close. Snoke’s red guard were cool looking and that fight was the best scene in the movie

Exactly this.

People who don't understand that they aren't the target audience tend to be the loudest of the complainers.

Why were Snokes red guards putting up a fight against two talented force users? Made no sense. They struggled to best them. Are they mini jedi? None of this is explained. Who the **** was Snoke anyway?

If they could use light speed as a weapon all along why is everyone firing pathetic pew pew lasers? They could have taken out the Death Star with a few X wings.

Why the hell did they go on a bombing run, dropping bombs like in WW2 or from a B52 in SPACE?

Poe does Poe things and nearly ruins everything entirely predictably all because no one would tell him anything even when he was clamouring for info. Are they just that incompetent?

I didn't have Luke's no marks as a logical hole that was actually just a cool detail I noticed.

A better villain? Is there a worse one? General Hux is all I got....