That seems wrong in pretty much every way.
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Originally Posted by Charlie.Dont.Surf
The Lounge was basically created as a snobby and more boring version of OOT.
Yes, because of course everyone wants things to be more snobby and boring.
The Lounge got created because OOT went through so many pages per day that there was no incentive to put any work into a single thread. It wasn't even easy to see if the same thread had already been done, because OOT could go through hundreds of new threads a day. OOT was getting flatter and more dull the more popular it got. It had almost no chance to be interesting anymore.
That's what happens when the people who were writing the best threads and posts simply stopped doing it. Many of them left and didn't come back. And OOT just got left with the worse and worse dregs.
But it makes no sense to spend even 15 minutes writing a thread or posting a response when some idiot teenagers would spaz out 20 zero content threads in the same period and drive anything else off the front page, or even second page or more, before it would have a chance to be seen. The way OOT was, posts worth reading were all but memory because there was no reason to write them anymore. OOT had become nearly pure lowest common denominator, and what wasn't, was lost almost instantly.
OOT and the 2+2 forums had lost a lot of quality long before the forums started getting split off of it. Without the splits, OOT would have kept chasing away almost every good contributor, leaving the non-strategy sections of 2+2 a cesspool.
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As a overall sub forum I'd say El D's has been much more informative and successful...but The Lounge is/has much more of a clubhouse/book club of the week type thing going on.
It's more popular. It certainly got a stronger push and the hounds were never released on it like they were on the Lounge. There are many ways to measure success, though. If you want a smarter thread on wearing natural denim than you'll find in OOT, then ELDF will satisfy and the Lounge will probably fall short because nobody will care. ELDF has its strengths, but it does not have all strengths, or do everything well.
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Overall El D's overall point that constantly splitting up forums, esp one's like OOT, over and over again to more detailed subforums was a bad idea rung true imo.
That was a terrible idea that almost nobody supported in the long run and most did not in the short run. ElD was also very selective and political about it.
Before sports was spun off, you would have a single basketball game sometimes taking up a quarter of a page of OOT or more. Same with all the other sports. It was a gigantic mess and pushed everything else off the page. Before politics was spun off, that mess of craziness combined with bile made OOT even stupider and leached out into other threads there. Videogames and health and fitness also made very strong forums on their own.
Separating forums out from the frenetic mountain of garbage that was OOT made the whole system of forums stronger as a whole.
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The decline in quality posts/posters/threads on 2+2 over the years has been pretty strong.
2+2 is vastly more popular now. Pretty much to be expected as the poker boom drew in more and more people who probably never should have been playing poker in the first place.
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People liked El D so much because he was a great poster and he reminded people of how cool and interesting 2+2 used to be.
He was a good poster when he wanted to be. He brought a heck of a lot of bad to the table too. Like most everyone, he is a mixed bag.
But let's not pretend he wasn't idolized by all the young guys because of his success in both business and poker. Because of that alone, he could do no wrong and command vast armies of the dead. And that's often all he had. At one point ElD was probably what half the guys on the forums wished they were.
Last edited by Blarg; 03-05-2010 at 06:00 PM.