Schools might start getting nervous about yield protect third time around, but definitely do not go if you aren't sure about it.

from what i remember the 3 socal schools aren't splitter friendly. don't think i even bothered applying to them.

i'm surprised you didn't get anything from northwestern or georgetown.

Wash u is a good school but missouri is super saturated with lawyers . Pretty sure we have the most per capita or something IIRC. The ridiculously easy bar exam doesn't help

Georgetown didn't let me apply. NU admitted me ED last year. I was upfront with them about my situation so they weren't shocked when I backed out (my wife's academic career was up in the air), but they still could be bitter/suspect.

I'll probably apply there ED next year again without expectations.

This could be a really, really dumb question but here it goes:

Covering torts in bar prep, specifically intentional torts. Obviously, know the bll of battery v assault. Example though, if a guy rapes a woman while she is unconscious, wouldn't that just be battery and not assault? (ignoring the realm of crim law)

Since the woman wasn't aware of the offensive touching, i.e. she's unconscious, it would just be battery? Why do most people call it "sexual assault" or is that just the public not really understanding the difference between the two terms?


Again, disclaimer: I may be missing something ridiculously easy here, as I've been studying about 10 hours today catching up after a long bar-prep free memorial day weekend.

In tort law I'm almost sure you're right.

I would think that most criminal sexual assault involves a conscious victim at some point in the act and that would be why it's a common term, but I don't really know criminal law that well.

Since I don't have time to read hundreds of pages to see if this was possibly answered back in 2008, I'll just ask it here:

Did anyone go to law school after completing a PhD? Did the different writing styles trip you up or make things difficult? Do you think it helped getting the doctorate before going for the JD? My wife's an attorney and I'm debating if I should get a law degree after I finish my program (still a few years off).

Okay, thanks LKJ. Sort of a basic/dumb question, but yeah, just couldn't quite figure it out last night.

Update on bar prep: Honestly, not that bad. I'm putting about 40 hrs/week, a bit more and I'm ahead of the current suggested pace. I would consider myself very strong in wills/trusts/estates and family law, since I've maxed out courses in these subjects/had clinic experience, so I'm planning on taking some days off later when these easy subjects come around.

We gonna make it fam

In crim law its described as sexual battery in most statutes, but yeah i think you're right in that is mostly the public never adding "& Battery" to cases where it is warranted.

Good luck on the bar prep! We have a few interns at my office that are conditional hires that are working while studying. I don't really envy them.

I was ABD in English when I dropped out to go to law school - here are some thoughts.

The focus is entirely different. In the PhD program, the object is to develop expertise and to contribute meaningfully to the critical discourse on the subject matter. In law school it is about passing the bar, which is a test of minimum competence. Going from a situation where I was expected to be able to lead seminars, engage primary and secondary sources in depth, and think critically and creatively to a situation where all I had to do was memorize the rules made law school seem like child's play. While the professors may appreciate intellectual engagement with the material and thinking philosophically about the law, your classmates almost certainly won't, and the classes are generally not oriented toward anything approaching deep thought.

To the extent that you are abstract thinker, you will need to learn to focus your thought, as law school generally rewards linear, logical thinking and concise analysis. One of my fellow classmates was a former Classics professor who was clearly brilliant but had trouble both with law school exams and passing the bar, and based on his comments in class, I suspect he spent too much time on tangents and generally overthought things.

As to the writing, I found that the experience in writing papers and teaching freshman composition gave me a huge advantage come exam time, as exams are basically all about clear communication, as well as in my legal writing classes. While legal writing was different stylistically than the writing I was accustomed to in grad school, if you are a decent writer you should be able to adapt to that style. I also found that my teaching experience gave me a leg up in that I was able to think like a professor, i.e. understand the structure of exams and what the professor was trying to get at with the questions.

looking to take prop that i pass the bar up to like 5k in action. will send GPA/transcript if someone's serious.

taking NY, graduated other week.

Why would anybody bet with you? Lots of people pass the Bar, so what makes you so special? Do you often offer people to bet with you with no information whatsoever?

This is a well-written & I assume helpful post. Seems like the transition was fine.

It's quite frustrating reading so many terribly written legal pleadings.
Yeah, seriously. Sell us on why you suck so much that anybody should ever consider such an inane bet.

motivation. i do weight loss/exercise/volume bets. i'm more than happy to provide relevant information i'm just not going to post my GPA on 2p2.

also i am degen and like betting on stuff?

uh i'll give odds and it could be plus EV. a bet will motivate me to study. i'll be at foxwoods the whole summer also studying on my ipad. i can l leave location tracker on to show i'm at the poker room. what kind of stuff did you have in mind?

We have zero information, as mentioned. You're gonna need to provide some if you want action from most people.

Come on now, dude. If you cannot find the motivation to pass the Bar, an exam that if you do not pass it, the last three years of your life are essentially rendered worthless, then you probably had no business going to law school. As it is, I think you would probably have to be offering odds which I know you wouldn't be willing to offer for it to be neutral EV.

I did notice in your posting history that you do like to offer prop bets in this forum. I think you should probably just study for the Bar and pass it. With that extra money you can make as a lawyer, you can make even bigger bets!

Excellent. That's some great insight, thanks!

It may be that it just gets rolled into it by statute because they didn't want to create a separate crime when the person is unconscious. I think that's probably your practical answer. Here in Maryland if I hit you, you get charged criminally with 1st or 2nd degree assault, the battery isn't part of it but I guess it's implied (like the punishment for the assault includes the battery).

This is for MBE purposes, I am pretty sure.

If you are unconscious, you cannot be ASSAULTED, but you can be BATTERED. Specific states might have different definitions of assault, but the common law definition of assault is that there is an apprehension of imminent harm. This is definitely the kind of question that is tested on the MBE, and I am sure it is in your materials.

Thanks guys, I get what you're saying. I guess I just didn't understand why it's referred to as "sexual assault" in the media when in reality, it's sexual battery? Like rape obv is a crime under it's own statute, I just meant within the tort realm was all.

tl;dr: Non-legal world refers to striking someone as assault, not battery.


Bar prep is going well here too. Scoring well on my MBE PQ's and just scored above average on my first graded essay. Contracts not bad, Torts surprisingly easy, but property has been a bitch so far. All the different estates, interests, etc. was never taught by my 1L prof (lol I know), so I am learning these terms for the first time.

Pretty sure everyone who learns all of the property terms forgets them by the time the bar comes around too.

Seems that way, yeah. Most people are struggling with them as well. I made a small 3 page outline, just term/example/key notes about each type of interest and I'm reviewing it before bed for 5 minutes/when I wake up for 5 minutes. In like 2 days of doing it, already feel like I've memorized them by heart now.

There's an app that helps with that too that isn't bad. No clue what it's called, but I remember using it during 1L finals.

Property stuff was certainly the hardest part of the bar.

In FL, it was the most heavily tested stuff in the essays when I took the Bar. I would certainly spend the most time on property-related subjects, including homestead exemptions, wills, trusts, and the like, especially if you are weak in that area.

very first essay question on my bar exam was property, and i remember just being like, "great.. gonna fail, no idea what this question is even asking.."