That's called being a "Splitter" and a 180 helps a lot. Probably getting in a few places in the T14.

Well the podunk and basket weaving portion are pretty much irrelevant. I know a guy who went to UVA with a 2.3/180.

You can figure this out on lawschoolnumbers.com, but I'd guess 2.0/170 would find a home somewhere near the back end of the top 20 and a 2.0/160 is probably going to be pushed to somewhere in the 50-80 range. Maybe even a little further back.

yeah LSN is a good resource

i was a splitter and did ok but i had a 2.8. shouldnt make a difference given how stats are reported but who knows

Yeah if you're below 25%ile I don't think it matters how far.

It seems like it's a little bit hard to say given how the landscape has changed in the last five years. So many less applications etc.

thanks guys great info

so if someone has a 2.5 with one semester left it's not especially important that they try to get decent grades?

Not exactly on topic, but I wonder why somebody that can only manage a 2.5 gpa in undergrad would think they can do well in law school.

Because circumstances are different for different people? Because uGPA is a statistically inferior predictor of lsGPA when compared to the LSAT? Disko did just fine, so did my friend, so have countless other students.

Because some places like MIT have a pass/fail first year (could be first semester I forget) and it's generally well known among the students that everyone still fails a class freshmen year due to the rigor. Georgia Tech has a first year average GPA of 1.7 last I heard.

It's not always that extreme but GPA varies widely.

I think an upward trend can help. My feeling is most people's GPAs have an upward trend as well, so it's kinda odd if yours doesn't.

Trend of grades going up is a positive. But if you get a 170+ on the LSAT, You will get into a decent school. My college roommate had a 2.18 and a 174 and got into Boston College. He just drank and partied too much in school but was extremely intelligent.

Sure he would've gotten into a much better school if he didn't mess around in college but it's not the end of the world if you can perform on the LSAT

Oyee... a NY Attorney got disbarred for traveling to Cuba and lying about it.

A lawyer who pleaded guilty in connection with a scheme to evade U.S. sanctions against Cuba was disbarred Tuesday by the Appellate Division, First Department.
Marc Verzani pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement on a U.S. Customs and Border Protection form, a felony, and was sentenced to two years of probation and fined $100, the panel said.

Verzani had "falsely stated that the only country he had visited while outside the United States was Mexico, when in fact he had also traveled to Cuba," the ruling said.

I used to love smoking and purchasing Cubans but chose to stop when I decided to apply to law school. Probably something I will have to disclose to C&F down the road I guess? I know a handful of lawyers now who purchase cubans illegally, they are probably risking way too much I'd imagine.

I had a 2.9 GPA in college due to general laziness. LSAT, law school & practicing law all good.

My experience was that some law schools definitely look more at LSAT than others. Got wait-listed at some worse schools than I ended up going to.

for me personally it was mostly just being graded on a curve on a single test

i always struggled in elementary school, high school and college because so much of my grade was based on homework, attendance, etc. so even if i had an A on the tests i would end up with Cs and Ds because i didnt do any homework or whatever

in a weird way it worked out bc i got a 177 and ended up at a school where the average was like 169 or whatever so i was probably smarter than most ppl there and dominated the curve

now that im a lawyer i think GPA is like 100x more important than LSAT because the work really isnt that complicated but work ethic, reliability, organization, etc is increcibly important

wanting to know if law school is a possibility isn't the same thing as presuming the ability to do well in law school.

but, i guess potential reasons might be environment/level of interest. i started out my college career taking the easiest classes i could find that fit my major, without even really considering the topic matter, so i could spend my time doing anything but actual classwork. it took me a while but i eventually realized i enjoyed myself much more if i picked more challenging courses that i was interested in. my transcript is pretty weird in that i have D's in a bunch of classes like Intro to Psych and Speech, and A's in Physics and Linear Algebra (not that these are particularly relevant to law school, just making the point that doing poorly in easy courses doesn't automatically mean you can't do well in more difficult courses...i'm in english major btw ).

Am I insane if I turn down a job offer at a small firm in a field of mild interest to hang a shingle when I graduate with a friend from school?

How much capital will you and your friend be initially contributing? I'm all for people going out on own just the overhead is a bitch in the beginning.

I'm in the process of drawing up a business plan (UG biz classes finally paying off lol). Fwiw, I'm debt-free as well. I'm guessing that's going to be a major factor

edit: How much capital being the "major factor"

your biggest expense will be office few options are: home, virtual, brick and mortar, sublet, of counsel basis.

My father just sublet part of his office, that is not in use, to a newly admitted attorney. He is chargin $400 per month for an address, computer, desk and phone line for expenses, plus a fee split arrangement where the attorney is of counsel to the firm and any work he originates is split 60-40 in his favor.

Now obviously something like that is hard to find - but if you have made any contacts or become good at networking that may open up for you.

Somehow crushed middle school doe.


You been hitting up the Borgata at all lately? I haven't been in at least a year but I watch bravo stuff online. Seems like attendance is way down even in the summer? Seems like not as many 10/20 20/40 limit (ie high stakes) games is what I've noticed specifically, but also some of the other numbers.

I would think that getting some experience first would be a big boost before hanging a shingle. Both to help you get clients and also to understand basic procedural issues and understand how a law firm operates.

I'd recommend taking the job with the plan to hang start your own firm in a year or so (depending on how you like the firm). Don't see much downside - worst case is you lose a year.

Haven't been playing much and yeah borgata has been dead last few times I went. Games were really bad. Parx 2/5 is much better imo

Checking in before the NY bar next week. Did pretty much everything on Barbri and averaging like 66% on MBE prep questions, essays--I've outlined a ton of them and usually spot most issues and can get most of the law.

I'm in decent shape, right?

Sounds like you're in good shape. Keep hitting those MBEs and as long as negative variance on the 50/50ish MC questions doesn't smack you in the face, you'll pass.