Lady HoHo fits in with Westboro Baptist's opinion of her. As she apparently has a whore's forehead.

That doesn't really remind me of Madonna.

What do you mean by "the other way around" in that argument?

Besides if you read my post, you can see that it refers to judging THE MUSIC by all other things, not having anything to do with the sound.

People who judge the musical result by who made it is already some kind of fanboyism or might be a victim of branding, need to feel more cultural than the mass, snob effect and whatnot. It´s already clear when bashing a SONG by who wrote it.

Judging an artist by what they create themself is a completely different story, as it is natural just like liking a sports superstar for what they do. However buying the products the superstar advertice for, because it´s them brings you right back to being the victim of marketing or need to ascociate with a certain group of people.

Kanye's first album was certified double platinum four months after it was released, and over a year before he made the Bush comment.

Oops.

Yeah, this is ****ing rediculous. If they decided to go out and play in the key of M-minor at a 4/12 rhythm, no one would listen. Although artistic value and originality is always great, there are inherent limitations.

My posts concerning her music has adressed these issues. Yes, an artist is rarely going to be able to continue making art if no one is listening.

When did I say this? I said that no one would play the full Ring Cycle. Also, the work that is considered his absolute best is very seldomly played. As a Wagner fan, you would know that much of his work is far too technical for the vast majority of people to be able to sing.

You have a strangely contradictory opinion of music. What was considered primal in the era that you seem to worship is considered highly vanilla now. Yes, Mozart, Wagner, and other's were definitely making music for primal shock value at the time.

I still have no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm not judging anything based on who made it, and never said I was.

I was asking for your point. My point was that judging music/songs by who made it has nothing to do with the music but only the artist.

You responded to me with a statement I don´t see any relevance in, so I asked what you mean, and elaborated on my point.

My point is that your point doesn't apply to me, or anyone else itt.

But I didnt write my post to you, and even quoted a different person, why did you then need to tell me what you do, which was obv not related to my point. Seemed very strange to me but all good, I now know how you feel about you artists :-)

Sorry then, it just seemed like it was directed at someone in particular.

Alejandro

Very interesting polytexturing in this song. There are many small parts that are combined to create the whole. The first is the multitude of voices, each of which is sung differently: The girl dating the guy, the narrator, and the chorus. The song progresses from form to form, taking elements of trance, but favoring a samba singing and whispering over the tradition singing found in trance. This song is another example of how she uses the feel texture, pacing, and vocalization of the music to tell a complete story. If I have to attempt an interpretation, it would be about attempting to rebound from a relationship she isn't ready to break up. This song, more than what I have listened to so far, deserves more study to understand.

Translation: "I never heard of him until then, so nobody did, I'm sure!"

I hate Kanye, and think he's over rated, but he was very popular before his comment (why do you think he was there in the first place?), and he's a skilled producer.

As a devoted non-Kanye non-hip hop fan, I can confirm that he was pretty famous (in Sweden at least) before the Katrina thing.

As for Lady Gaga, I'm still undecided. Clearly she knows something about music, which is more than you can say for most pop artists, so she's at least got that going for her.

My totally uneducated opinion (AKA I don't really know very much about music), is that there are two equally important sides to music. Art, and Entertainment.

There are musicians out there who you could call artists, who right flawless and interesting songs that are deep, but aren't as catchy or pleasant to the ear as a Lady GaGa or even worse a band like N'sync. But I think providing something people want to hear is a different but equally important part of music. Being incredibly talented, and providing a product no one likes is about as good as writing a total piece of crap (tempo, pitch and rythmically speaking) that everyone seems to enjoy.

All of the local arthouse bands who "haven't sold out" are generally creating music that not that many people enjoy (Perhaps a local metal band that appeals to hardcore metalheads but not many others). People like Britney Spears appeal to a lot more people, while their music might not be anywhere as interesting or deep, more people like it.

The truly amazing people are the few who manage to do both, but there aren't that many of them, so I think we should stop assuming that every band needs to hold themselves to the standard of being both incredibly musically talented and loved by all. There are places for both types of bands and just because you know all of the underground bands no one likes doesn't mean your opinion on music is more valid than the people who made Kanye platinum. You did what you dig, they dig what they dig, and theres a place for both of you, neither needs to be eliminated and replaced with the other. We need them both.

I read soem interview with a music video director who basically said that everything is created and planned by her and her team and she basically views the whole persona etc as one giant performance art piece. He also said she was one of the most interesting and smartest artists he'd worked with

she occasionally reminds me of a jewish lexi belle

alos her performance on Jay Leno was pretty damn good

She is perfected 80's pop IMO.

And the third part that music tast for many is exactly like all other things, being cars, furniture, phones or partners. They choose either what the masses like or try to signal how sophisticated they are, often depending on their age and social groups.

Pink outdid her at the Grammy's. But she did do a great job and I am not a fan

Somewhere on the Lower East Side, Fiona Apple is watching that video, thinking "damn it, I coulda been Lady Gaga."

fwiw i like bad romance, poker face is awful. thats my 02. as i have mentinoed many times, im a goddamn sexual tyranasaurus.

I'm not sure of the exact timing of the Bush incident, but Kanye's first album (definitely pre-bush) was critically acclaimed and very succesful commercially. Before he released an album, he was a well respected producer in hip hop circles, and produced a number of very good songs for Jay-Z, among others. How he promotes himself now does not change the fact that he is a very talented rapper and producer. In fact, all 4 of his albums have been critical and commercial successes.

Besides, everybody knew George Bush didn't care about black people already, so that was hardly a stunner to hear out of some random celebrity.

George Bush doesn't care about blarg people.

Still a big difference between doing one or two songs (either playback or sung live over a backing track) dressed outrageously at a awards ceremony and a fullblown concert. I'd rather go see a band play than this fluff autotuned sellout garbage she is selling.

Lady Gaga is the biggest level in music today, i like that much about her...not really sold on her music, and haven't seen her perform.