i don't know what the bold words mean...i still like the song...

Basically, I am asking if it is well-structured music.

SUBJECTIVITY FAIL

to say her persona is whats wrong with the music biz is ******ed. The Taylor Swift/Miley Cyrus/Pussycat Dolls brand of music is whats wrong with it if you have to find something wrong. People who are famous because of the way they look more than how well they sing/write. Lady Gaga is clearly not famous because of the way she looks but because she writes good pop songs and can sing really well.

Also her being eccentric just makes it all the more interesting. I want my popstars to be slightly crazy. Not off some record company production line.

I don't know much about her, but I like her style. I admire the verve with which she displays her personal vision. And every song I've heard of hers was catchy as hell.

I like that in a woman

Did anyone bring up the fact that she has a penis?

Bad Romance legit... probably my favorite song from 2009. The video is freggin' addicting, I think I've watched it 15 times... and I almost NEVER watch any videos. That Michael Jackson thriller, hips swivel dance she does is kinda cool.

Love it that she's not a 10 by any means, but still pretty sexy.... a big round a$$ never hurts either

The part in the bad romance video where it's just her face with no crazy **** (she's crying in one part) is the best looking i've ever seen her, she actually looks pretty.

Are you talking about me? I stated exactly why Kanye isn't really music, and anyone that plays music with semi-seriousness would probably have to agree with my assessment from a technical perspective.

I never ever take things from a purely subjective stance. If I can't state exactly why I don't like something, then I am either listening to it wrong, or looking at it wrong. I am highly analytical. In this case, I am able to state that Kanye has a very poor understanding of music theory.

Just saying that people experience music differently, and arguing it won't change the fact that someone likes a Kanye West song.

I was responding to people saying that Lady Gaga is a gimmick and has little talent. I was showing that I am able to prove her talent easier than they could prove Kanye has talent, in leiu of music understanding and education. That is all. Surely you can put Kanye as a gimmick, if you think of him as being a loud mouth racist.

Kanye writes and produces most all of his stuff, which is something Lady Gaga cannot say.

Gimmick? Depends on your definition of the word. Certainly far less of a gimmick than someone like Britney Spears for instance.

bad romance

I am not sure what this video is attempting to show. Although it fits the song, it really isn't more than a Janet Jackson knock-off, and the music is nothing that couldn't be heard in a basic techno album.

This is probably the best-looking she is in any video that I have seen thus far. The big eyes are unique.

Musicians that did not produce their own music.

Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Nine Inch Nails, The Eagles, The Beatles.

I suppose Kanye is far more influencial and talented. My bad.

LOL.

I can't believe you mentioned that silly teeny bopper boy band The Beatles...

And ahem: Wikipedia list of Pink Floyd albums produced by David Gilmour

That's David Gilmour, OF THE BAND PINK FLOYD, not some other guy with the same name.

It's been many a decade since slightly crazy hasn't been a calculated part of pop music marketing.

I find HobbyHorse's avatar strangely alluring.

Alright, livinitup0 - you asked for this in the NC thread so here you are:

I would argue that real musicians are not really trying to write "pop" music either which is what Lady Gaga is doing. And really what is the state of the majority of "pop" music these days? Are the songs that become hits really all that complex - either musically or lyrically? Or consider this - what is the "pop" music industry really about these days if the majority of major artists 1) don't write their own songs 2) don't play their own instruments and 3) have their voices auto-tuned because they can't really sing? So what exactly is the music industry really selling to the American public then?

Image.

And I think Lady Gaga is mocking and playing with this unfortunate truth by taking it to the extreme.

Also, this is a quote from Lady Gaga on writing her hit single "Just Dance":

She acknowledges that her songs are not deep and meaningful things...I think that there was another quote from her where she says that she basically writes "europop trash songs that you can dance to".

EDIT: A picture from the Grammys (just for Landon):

If you start yo judge music from a band/artist by who writes and/or produces the songs, then musical taste is already out of the picture and things like respect or fanboyism takes over.

Hobbyhorse, your Gag avatar is kind of creepy, loks like a doll (which strangely turns me on???)

Yeah, it's her eyes. She either has those anime style contacts in



Or they digitally enlarged her eyes/pupils after shooting.

I admit it is pretty creepy...but that's why I like it!

Her eyes really do sell me. She seems to know that she isn't exactly good-looking, but makes the most of it.

I bet that link nary mentioned Bob Ezrin, who was one of the most prolific and important producers of his time, and one of the few that produces music to this day.

Gilmore did NOT produce all of Pink Floyd's albums alone. And he only wrote one song independently: Comfortably Numb.

ps: that list is dense, because none of those are albums.

So true. I wanted to bring up how many people's careers went into the tub after they started producing their own work.

Prince
Eminem
Jewel Kilcher produced Spirit, but decided against it for the rest of her work. Even her most rabid fans will agree that album is bad.
etc. etc. etc.

Artists are simply too close their own music to understand what is wrong with it. A producer is able to keep the integrity of the song, but also push it in a different (and hopefully) better direction.

Jimi Hendrix, when he started, only wrote songs that were 6 and 7 minutes long a'la blues. His producer asked him to try to cut all of his songs into 3 minutes, forcing a new tension in his songs, and the rest is history.

I'm judging the artist based on what they create, not the other way around.

What does this have to do with Kanye? He's got four albums, all successful and all self-produced.

I hate to keep this Kanye derail going, but all this lolproduction nonsense is really ridiculous.

In the tub shots of Bad Romance, they digitally altered the size of her eyes.