If it wasn't because of that (like you stated when you banned me), why was it for, then? please enlighten me. it wasn't a "mistake" then?
I was ready to let this rest but lol at coming here and still arguing like you're right.

probably should take it here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...fsuit-1439137/

It seems to me like the root cause of the difficulties the show is facing right now is that GRRM hasn't finished the 6th and 7th books. Coincidentally, it looks like they're both going to be gigantic, based on what GRRM has said in interviews.

That has to cause a lot of uncertainty for the show writers and producers (including GRRM himself). On the one hand, they're trying to drag things out a little bit where they can (with these strange additions/changes to the Wall storyline), but they also know that the Dany storyline is largely stagnant for the next two books. On the other hand, they also have to reconcile themselves to being less dependent on the books to finish the show, since the books might not exist in polished form yet.

there was 10 times less whining about spoilers BEFORE bookreaders were kicked out, which is hilarious to me.

Interesting point, could very well be it. Otherwise really just seems like straight up filler to give Jon something to do for 3 or 4 episodes.

You are quite terrible, though.

I rarely post in here, but even a cursory glance at your modding in the other thread revealed a glimpse of an abyss so scary, no human should ever look in to.

Also MrWookie is the mod described in the title, not sure what 27o is talking about there.

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I think that as a mod, you're obliged to tell us exactly what that means.

I only recently became a book reader, after having marathoned S1-S3 around Christmas of last year. I just finished A Dance with Dragons last week. Honestly, I found both A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons hugely disappointing, relative to A Storm of Swords. I don't think either of them bode very well for GRRM's ability to tie up the heptalogy well, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

I think you're wrong because I think that GRRM accomplished exactly what he hoped to in AFFC and ADWD, but he just had very different goals from what the average reader (myself included) wanted him to have. Books 4 and 5 were much more about character and particularly world building compared to 1-3. This was a conscious choice on how to deal with the aborted five year hiatus, and I actually would encourage you to reread them with recalibrated expectations. I enjoyed them much more a second time through.

I think that once George really gets to the ending he has planned out and the books become more plot heavy they're going to look a lot more like books 1-3.

I do hope that this is the case and that Books 6-7 return to form. I'm not as inclined to view Books 4-5 as better just so long as you realize they're about character development, because not a lot of significant character development happened with the principal characters. As for world building, my main worry is that GRRM has just multiplied story lines that won't be able to receive an adequate resolution. The main reason that these books weren't satisfying, in any event, is that they felt really incomplete and left way too many loose ends.

BTirish, thinking you may not know a ton of the backstory given you just recently started reading. Wanted to expand a little on what Senor said regarding the 5 year hiatus.

GRRM has stated a couple of times that when he originally envisioned the books, he planned to roughly get through the content of Book III, then fast forward 5 years and pick up the next book from that point and finish the series from there. As he wrote though he decided he needed to flesh out certain pieces in "real time" (don't know if it's known what those were), so he scrapped the plan and decided to not do the fast forward after all. There is a strong opinion that this caused a lot of the "standing still" feeling that lots of people think are a problem with Book IV and V - GRRM didn't originally have much of an idea of what a lot of his characters were going to do during this time, and had to make up much of it and didn't do a great job.

The hope is that as we get to Book VI and then to VII, GRRM should be back on track with the original outline and therefore the series should start to resemble the first three books again in terms of quality/pacing/plot development. Some people (myself included) think that the end of book V is evidence for this - there's some exiting things that happen towards the end of the book, which hopefully coincides with George merging back in to the main story that he's had in his head from the beginning.

Also, just adding a +1 in that I very much enjoyed Books IV and V more the second time, as part of a re-read of the whole series. Book IV I particularly didn't much care for the first time, then did enjoy it a lot more when I knew what I was going to get. You have to admit, ASOS is a tough act to follow - I think AFFC benefits greatly if people aren't expecting ASOS 2.

Soooooooooo

Can we talk about where GRRM is going in general with the books?

Who is going to unify the whole thing?

Is Jon Snow going to fight the Dragons and Danaerys?

Is Dany going to join with Jon Snow to fight evil icezombies with Dragons?

Personally I think Jon Snow and Dany are the two unkillable heroshielded characters....do you agree?

Jon Snow will be unkillable after he is brought back from having been killed.

The first three Dunk and Egg have been published recently together in other languages. Because an artist is doing a lot of artwork for the version in English, the English Dunk & Egg compilation will come out in about 2 years according to a recent GRRM blog post.

The Dunk and Egg stories are great and I really enjoyed "The Princess and the Queen" which came out last December in the "Warriors" anthology. A prequel to that story (about Prince Daeron) will come out in June. It should be another great story.

I am expecting big things from Young Griff.

I enjoyed the dunk and egg stories but I didn't think they were well written, not to the standards of the asoiaf novels. I checked them out shortly after finishing book 4 (which I really slogged through). Haven't read the newest one yet.

I think Jon and Dany will end up together. The Targaryens are historically incestuous and Jon is Dany's half-brother.

I think that's too obvious and neat to actually happen, grrm might be looking to throw a wrench into that.

Well I think that a ton of development takes place with Cersei, Jon, Jamie, and Theon. Those chapters were great in 4 and 5. As were the Davos chapters, which didn't develop Davos all that much but were great at world-building and gave us one of the best scenes of the books. I like Tyrion's ADWD chapters better on a second read but didn't like them on the first. Introducing all the new characters was a little painful but again, I enjoyed them much more once I understood what George was going for and stopped just wanting to turn to the next page to see what happened in the next chapter of the plot.

The Brienne chapters in AFFC are what benefits most from a reread. GRRM, contrary to people projecting his rapey awful characters onto his persona, is a kind-hearted hippy Vietnam War conscientious objector. He hates war and the toll of war is what Brienne's chapters are all about. They are tough to get through initially but upon a reread they are poignant and touching.

THanks for link, although the hell if I'm paying for all that non GOT stuff. How is it possible with the success of ASOIAF they don't have these novellas as standalone books? These publishers not enjoy $$ or what?

No, they enjoy money and are hoping to get 25 dollars from you instead of 8

Without reading too much into this thread, you're allowed to call 27offsuit names ITT, as long as those insults don't violate other sitewide rules (let the censor do its job, don't be a racist, don't call for his death, etc.). You're also allowed to criticize his moderation. You may quote posts from the TV only thread and post them here, vanity searchers be damned. But if you are a moderator not named John Cole, Mike Haven, or MrWookie, you're not to threaten anyone with a ban or infraction wither with your own posts ITT or to retaliate for their behavior ITT. Hope this helps.