In a nutshell, CL is an idiot drug addict, and not very smart, but I don't find Grant to be particularly credible. Confirmation bias all over the place imo. There are a million reviewers who had the same reaction.

Maybe I would have had a more positive reaction to the conspiracy theory if the movie itself had been done better.

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/cob...-razor-7236466

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/soaked-in-bleach-2015

In honor of the passing of Lemmy, I recommend Lemmy.

Rocco,

The reviewers like the village voice that give no mention about the forensic findings by industry leaders and instead focus an attack on things like a rainy backdrop or over the top acting are pretty much hack jobs.

Speaking of hack jobs, that's exactly what someone tried to do to this film. BEFORE this film was even released there was 1000's 1 votes on IMDB. Here's some findings from a poster from Reddit:

https://m.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/co...the_soaked_in/

There have also been negative 'reviews' from people that had direct working relationships with Courtney. People on Twitter admitting they were followers of hers and were contacted to help smear this movie. The whole thing kinda stinks.

C.L. Sent a cease a decist letter threatening legal action to Ben Statler and all the theatres that were going to show this movie. Of course Ben continued on and only 1 theatre removed the film. Not one person or theatre heard from her lawyers again, hell its even on Netflix now.

Speaking of legal action, why has Tom Grant not been sued? I mean really! He's been publicly calling her out for over 20 years!

This is going to be my last post on this issue because I don't have any dog in this fight. Courtney Love and Grant both seem like idiots to me.

I find it very plausible that Courtney Love initiated a smear campaign around the movie, not because she is a murderer, but rather because she is stupid and petty.

And why is strategy of sending cease and desist letters but not suing so implausible to you? The legal claims would have been very weak. Ben Statler and Tom Grant likely don't have enough money for a judgment to be worth anything to her financially. And she would have come off looking terrible in a deposition or trial, even if she didn't kill Cobain.

Awesome!

equally?!?

I'm not sure which side Yeti is taking here, but if it's that he's still more offended at the "system" than the filmmakers, then I agree.

I read about the things that were left out, and there's no doubt that they paint Avery in a worse light, but not to such a degree that I'd be disinclined to believe that something untoward went on.

That said, the film is wholly one sided, which does hurt it as a piece of work somewhat, but my god was Kratz a gigantic *******.

Beltracchi: The Art of Forgery was great. He is quite a character and immensely talented. Amazing, what he got away with.

yes

Thx at Ep 7 now. Watching till the end before I do more research.

I recommend HBO's Thought Crimes: the Case of the Cannibal Cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aT0Ltd1NU8

In short, the documentary is about an NYPD officer who had extensive discussions on a fetish website about his plans to kidnap and eat various women. He was prosecuted for conspiracy to commit kidnapping and the central question of the documentary concerns the gray area between thoughts and actions. In legal terms, the question is what constitutes an overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy.

Guilty or innocent, there is no question that this guy's behavior was super creepy.

Twilight Of The Yakuza

The Japanese government has been aggressively cracking down on organized crime since the early 90s. This doc was basically a series of interviews with older current or former yakuza members. It sounded interesting but ended up being a bunch of old dudes whining about how everything was better in the old days.

2/5

Just saw my first documentary of 2016, Barista. It follows 5 Baristas in competitive Barista contests. I found it pretty entertaining, although depending on how you feel about hipsters doing hipstery things you may find it obnoxious.

And then just to recap 2015, I watched 47 documentaries, my top 10 (not all from 2015) were (in roughly this order):

Meru
Amy
The Look of Silence
Citizenfour
Deep Web
Slingshot
Supermensch
Cartel Land
Sunshine Superman
The Seven Five

And just a heads up for those interested cnn is showing Sunshine Superman on Sunday night.

The Staircase appears to to be on Vimeo. I watched the first two episodes last night there and it's great, of course. There has been a recent twist to the story that wasn't included in the original episodes yet (I think), so I'm excited for the "II" part. Seen at least the last episode back in the day and I can't make any sense of it with what has been proposed now.

Sorry to be vague, but you're either getting spoilered or know what I'm on about anyway.

Now off to see The Revenant, I'd rather go home and binge this actually

hi, nice thread, looking forward to check some of the titles recommended

who would you rate these titles: (sorry if too old)

There's No Place Like Utopia
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3868452/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

U.N. Me
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1351260/

Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3302820/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

The only one of these I've seen is Cowspiracy. I would rate it 1/5. It's a classic example of people trying to come up with logical reasons to support their moral/emotional stance on an issue.

The movie is full of statistics for which no citations whatsoever are given. There's numerous problems with how they approach the issue of sustainability. The most obvious one to me being that they only think of food production in terms of pounds of food produced per acre of land.

There is no discussion at all about how different methods of farming and food production affect the soil, which is by far the most important issue in terms of sustainability.

According to the logic of the filmmaker, the most sustainable agriculture is simply the one which produces the highest yield in terms of pounds of food per acre. In other words, genetically modified crops that are heavily sprayed with chemicals to kill insects and fungi etc. in order to create the highest yield.

The most disturbing thing imo about vegan propagandists is their aggressive stance against small scale pasture raised animals. They're terrified of animals being raised for meat in a sustainable and humane way because then they won't be able to convince people that eating meat is immoral. Their response is to try to convince meat eaters that pastured animals are worse for the environment than factory farming. Then they can turn around and show everyone how horrible the conditions are in factory farms, thus convincing people the only option for environmental sustainability and humane treatment of animals is for everyone to be vegan.

Also wanna recommend making a murder, binged watched it this weekend. There is huge thread in OOTV about it.

Anyone know where to watch The Staircase from episode 4 on? I think the II-movie from 2012 is on youtube but I couldn't find all original ep. for free.

I'm sure I've recommended this before, but everyone in the worlds needs to watch an older documentary called Hands on a Hardbody. It's about a contest in central Texas where people have to stand with their hand on a truck. 5 minute breaks every hour. Last person standing wins the truck.

It's hilariously funny and also interesting as social commentary. For many of the contestants, winning the truck would be a life changing experience.

Ugh, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get to the first break and many fit people wouldn't either. What a weird contest, I'll check it out..

I think you or I are misreading this. I think he's saying they are just standing with a hand on the truck. I think most people could easily stand for an hour.

Yeah. You just stand there with your hand on the truck. It's basically a sleep deprivation contest that goes on for several days.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...thrilling.html

I don't post often and am way too late to the party, but this was amazing. The Krakauer commentary is slightly cheesy at times but it doesn't take away from the documentary, simply fantastic stuff. Anyone into extreme sports should watch this asap.