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Old 09-02-2014, 10:29 PM   #12601
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I was looking forward to how it wrapped up, and I was ok with blaming the translator for most of the crazy one liners, but then

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Old 09-02-2014, 11:19 PM   #12602
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cant edit. Considering their attitude the morning after, I would've dumped the girl, fought the dude, and quit my job because I wouldn't be able to look at them every morning.

and if I found out the only reason they had the party was to get my gf loose, and everyone was on it including the boss, i'd go work for the other side.
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:54 AM   #12603
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I'd be interested to hear you elaborate, if you're willing, since many of your other book reviews have been critical (in the most positive sense of that word).
Okay, I'll work on that. I happen to be very busy working on a project that is due 10/1 so it may take a while.

In short, Musil does all things excellently. A Man Without Qualities foreshadows the themes and style (not just the writing style but the structural style of idea introduction) of White Noise; outdoes Pynchon in every way and better and has the wry humor of Heller or Vonnegut.

Apparently the two English translations have very different feels and, according to some comments, substance. If I get to read the second one before I write more I'll comment on that.
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:25 PM   #12604
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This is the "top" review of Underworld on goodreads.com: https://www.goodreads.com/review/sho...on=true&page=1
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:28 PM   #12605
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This is the "top" review of Underworld on goodreads.com: https://www.goodreads.com/review/sho...on=true&page=1
I've read a fair sampling of DeLillo but not (or at least not yet) Underworld (except for the Pafko section), so I can't speak to it. But I was stuck by this response to the review linked above:
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Look. Underworld should not be anyone's first DeLillo experience. If you could major in DeLillo Studies, Underworld would be the capstone seminar at the end of your senior year. I think a lot of people pick it up without any foreknowledge of DeLillo's work because they've heard the hype, or they saw it in that NYT "Best Books of the Past 25 Years" thing, and they understandably walk away thinking WTF. But that's not how it should be.

Start with White Noise. If you don't love it, DeLillo isn't for you. If you recognize its awesomeness, then move on to stuff like Libra and Running Dog and The Names, or the recent Falling Man. All wonderful, accessible, and relatively slim novels. Once you've got a fairly thorough understanding of DeLillo's signature obsessions and stylistic tics, and assuming you're eating all that **** up like the delicious and healthy literary dessert that it is, then and only then should you pick up Underworld. It's not his best book--all the ones I just named are better, in my opinion--and it only really makes sense in the context of DeLillo's larger body of work. If you still think it sucks at that point, well, you've got more than a leg to stand on. I've got some pretty major reservations about it myself. But it is absolutely not for n00bs.
Oh, and it's amusing to look at what I've just pasted in and see that language that can be used on Goodreads (not to mention Facebook), still can't be used on 2+2!
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:04 PM   #12606
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Start with White Noise. If you don't love it, DeLillo isn't for you.
This was exactly my experience, read WN when it first came out. I've been thinking I may try it again one of these days. I haven't read Pynchon either.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:53 PM   #12607
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I thought White Noise was excellent, one of the best I've read. I remember the beginning being less interesting than the latter half though that may have been my fault as a reader, or rememberer. Probably most valuable to a teenager, in my opinion, and I wish I had read it at that age.

Unlike these books, Mao II, Ratner's Star, and The Body Artist (the other DeLillo books that I've read), Underworld and White Noise are very readable and compelling like a "real novel" or story. And these books are all brilliant.
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:07 AM   #12608
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This is amazing. ****ing amazing.
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:22 PM   #12609
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So, what is the first Murakami book I should read?
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:32 AM   #12610
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So, what is the first Murakami book I should read?
Norwegian Wood or Wild Sheep Chase. Wind-Up Bird Chronicle is the best I've read but I still haven't read IQ84.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:40 AM   #12611
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1Q84 is the only one I've read and it certainly wouldn't be a poor choice.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:51 AM   #12612
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I would eschew this Murakami character and stick with American writers.
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Old 09-05-2014, 10:37 AM   #12613
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I would eschew this Murakami character and stick with American writers.
You've bit off more than you can eschew. My vote would be Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. Murakami is ultimately a minor writer but that may prove to be his most enduring work.
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:19 AM   #12614
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I'm looking to read a novel about crazy people/psychology like the Dice Man. Does anyone have suggestion for books like that? Like a book that describes how a crazy person is living in a world with what is assumed to be rational sane people but turns out that everyone else is crazy and he is the only sane person alive!
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Old 09-06-2014, 02:17 AM   #12615
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The underlined paragraph is an example of outstanding writing. A pleasure to read. Perhaps I should read the book you just reviewed.
I'm no literary critic but chapter one is the most brilliant thing I've read. It's the amygdala talking.
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Old 09-06-2014, 04:15 AM   #12616
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I've read a fair sampling of DeLillo but not (or at least not yet) Underworld (except for the Pafko section), so I can't speak to it. But I was stuck by this response to the review linked above:

Oh, and it's amusing to look at what I've just pasted in and see that language that can be used on Goodreads (not to mention Facebook), still can't be used on 2+2!
No offense intended toward bicep's avatar but they have a fascist word filter yet a permissive visual image policy.

Contradictions abound.
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Old 09-07-2014, 02:49 PM   #12617
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Finished Underworld. I'm not good at reviewing books. I thought it was too long, but excellent.
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:30 PM   #12618
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My recollection of Paradise Lost from reading, well skimming it, for class in college is that it was no page turner.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:12 PM   #12619
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I took a survey course in English Lit in college. Paradise Lost was pure torture, as was Spenser's Faerie Queene. I somehow survived with a B and ran for my life away from college liberal arts classes forever.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:43 PM   #12620
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Paradise Lost is one of those books that I'm glad I read but was one of the toughest things ever to get through. I wouldn't ever do it again.
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:11 PM   #12621
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I love the language in Paradise Lost. It's one of the best things English can do. My location for some time now is a phrase from when God hurls Satan from heaven.

I fully recognize that studying it in a undergraduate situation would probably be terrible but reading it should be pure joy.
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:20 PM   #12622
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I am listening to Ulysses on audiobook. I've read this and that in it here and there but never the bulk of it straight through.

It's well-written I'm enjoying hearing the English language in that as well. Hearing it helps avoid getting bogged down in details and riding the great wave of the thing.
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:25 PM   #12623
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I am applying for a Master Research (Eng Lit) and was thinking of my thesis proposal being focussed on Hamlet (perhaps more broadly Shakespearean tragedies) and the Homeric Heroic/Epic Cycle.
Good idea or well trodden path or omg are you mad?
Opinions welcome..

Milton's Satan is one of the great literary characters. Apparently, Milton's Satan was uncontroversial at the time of publication yet the readers could not get over the fact that the poem was unrhymed.

Having to read the stageplay Away By Michael Gow (Aussie) + Vertigo by Amanda Lohrey for my student who I tutor.
Currently in the middle of Tale of Two Cities and reading some Coleridge.
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:28 PM   #12624
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I took a survey course in English Lit in college. Paradise Lost was pure torture, as was Spenser's Faerie Queene. I somehow survived with a B and ran for my life away from college liberal arts classes forever.
That suprises me, somehow I pictured you liking the subject matter of Paradise Lost. No offense, but I would have thought Milton's assertive mix of Protestant republicanism was your 'cup of tea'.
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:34 PM   #12625
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Started the newest translation of The Man Without Qualities by Robert Musil, translated by Sophie Wilkins and Burton Pike.
1700+ pages from now, I'll be back.
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