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04-13-2019 , 06:48 PM
More natural history which at this stage of my life I find more surprising, more satisfying than fantasy.
In the Company of Bears by Benjamin Kilham. The author like Temple Grandin who writes the forward has a learning disability. This has not stopped him with his part-time research (IRL innovative gunsmith). He has in the course of years had a special organ he discovered named after him and taught the Chinese how to reintroduce Pandas into the wild
The book is subtitled ‘What Black bears have taught me about intelligence and intuition’
“...you will know that bears I have observed carrying out their daily lives have proven to me their ability to share and cooperate, judge and punish, forgive and reconcile. They have shattered myths, showing that they are social, not solitary; communicate with intention, not just emotion; operate with a moral code; and even demonstrate altruism, compassion, and empathy.”
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04-14-2019 , 04:07 AM
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It was suggested that Kamita was the willow tree in the front yard. That makes sense on some levels. I'm not sure that it is Kamita knocking. I had assumed that the knocking was Kino's empty heart. (Poe's Telltale Heart?) He starts out hiding from the knocking but ends up being told to stare it in the face.

I think the bit about the aunt's watching snake documentaries on TV was put in to explain the snakes. Their intentions for good and bad are ambiguous, plus they look for places to hide their hearts. I can sorta see where that might lead, but I don't really get it.

The cat... Maybe an observer to see what progress Kino is making?

When the cat leaves, is it just another case of abandonment? Or maybe the cat has seen enough, or expects trouble.

The post cards I didn't get at all. I'll try to re-read the story.

btw, The name 'Kino' is pronounced somewhat similarly to a Japanese word for 'yesterday'. I used to know a Japanese exchange student named Kino who would introduce herself as 'Yesterday', and sometimes write her name with the ideograms for 'yesterday'. She was a real character, but that's another story.

I doubt it was Murakami's intention, but when I read the story, I kept thinking about the the concept of yesterday in the sense that Kino's life or his happiness was behind him. (Like the Beatle's song.)




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Thanks for taking the time to write that up, I really enjoyed reading it.


It's interesting that you thought it might not have been Kamita knocking, when I read it I didn't even consider that it might not be him. If my view of Kamita is correct, then we're both correct though. I thought that Kamita was supposed to be the embodiment of his heart. Kamita knows everything that is going to happen because you can't control your heart. He also takes care of everything because you can't escape your heart/feelings. Kamita also realizes the signs that Kino is not ok, that he's just covering it all up. So I thought his knocking at the end was Kamita, or his empty heart as you put it, finally catching and telling Kino that he needs to grieve.

I thought the cat was a calm presence in his life, a metaphor for what he was going through. Kino, and Kamita (his heart) both think that everything is ok when the cat is around, but as soon as he's gone they realize that there's snakes lurking, the cat is just a momentary distraction to what is really going on. While the cat was there he was distracted from his emotions, but he can't control the cat and eventually the snakes come back.

I did not get the snakes ambiguous intentions at all. I was thinking that maybe the snakes are a person's emotions and their ambiguous intentions means that they serve to help you heal or to make things worse. You don't really know which emotions are doing what. Seems like a stretch though.

My guess with the postcards was that Kamita knew Kino would eventually write something on the postcard. The blank postcard he keeps sending is Kino's refusal to accept his emotions. He's completely withdrawn and emotionless just like the blank postcard. When he signs the card, he's finally understood how lonely he is and wants to reach out to someone. Kamita then shows up, it starts to pour rain and he finally weeps.

The bar, and the cat were just things for him to focus on and convince himself that he was ok when he wasn't. He needed to follow Kamita's advice and get away from it all in order to take care of his emotions.




That's really interesting about the word Kino. I had no idea it meant yesterday, and that also ties in nicely with the other story where that is a prominent song. I wonder if it was planned by him.
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04-14-2019 , 02:17 PM
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I have a spreadsheet that I have the Pulitzer price for fiction for the last 30 years + runner(s) up and the final 8 TOB books since the start

There have been very few misses picking from this list

Most notably “the shipping news”

My god was that boring


But I did read orphan masters son, sympathizer and goon squad because of it. So good trade.
I see that this year's Tournament of Books is now over with a novella I had not previously heard of, Oyinkan Braithwaite’s My Sister, the Serial Killer, beating out my personal favourite, Michael Ondaatje's Warlight, on the I-couldn't-put-it-down criterion.

Something to add to the reading list ...
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04-14-2019 , 03:02 PM
Already added all 8 to my list

Going to read the MARS one soon
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04-14-2019 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RussellinToronto
I see that this year's Tournament of Books is now over with a novella I had not previously heard of, Oyinkan Braithwaite’s My Sister, the Serial Killer, beating out my personal favourite, Michael Ondaatje's Warlight, on the I-couldn't-put-it-down criterion.



Something to add to the reading list ...
How are these? Decent novels that tell a good story or flavor of the month political symbolism pieces?
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04-14-2019 , 08:10 PM
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How are these? Decent novels that tell a good story or flavor of the month political symbolism pieces?


I’ve liked most of the TOB quarter finalists I’ve read

I like just picking it up and reading without knowing anything about it

Did tbat with


Orphan masters son


Blew my mind.
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04-14-2019 , 09:38 PM
Orphan Masters Son was phenomenal. I can still remember reading several lines, sitting back and going "wow".

Fortune Smiles, Johnson's short stories, is great as well. I think only one has to do with Korea though.
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04-15-2019 , 04:14 AM
I'm doing a cool jigsaw puzzle that's a collage of old Edward Gorey illustrations that were used on novel covers. That pink War of the Worlds one I still remember from being on the little bookshelf in my 6th grade classroom back in the early 70s!

https://www.pomegranate.com/aa1043.html
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04-15-2019 , 11:52 AM
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I did not get the snakes ambiguous intentions at all. I was thinking that maybe the snakes are a person's emotions and their ambiguous intentions means that they serve to help you heal or to make things worse. You don't really know which emotions are doing what. Seems like a stretch though.

My guess with the postcards was that Kamita knew Kino would eventually write something on the postcard. The blank postcard he keeps sending is Kino's refusal to accept his emotions. He's completely withdrawn and emotionless just like the blank postcard. When he signs the card, he's finally understood how lonely he is and wants to reach out to someone. Kamita then shows up, it starts to pour rain and he finally weeps.

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I didn't find the right word to describe the snakes' intentions, and still haven't found it. What I meant to say was that the snakes can serve as guides, but whether they guide for good reasons or bad, or for good reasons or evil ones isn't easily known.

I like your interpretation of the postcards. I toyed with the idea that they were similar to the monoliths in 2001 in that they were instituted to track Kino's progress. I hadn't occurred to me that Kino's writing a message would trigger an alert. I saw it more as a failure to obey the gods.

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04-17-2019 , 10:39 AM
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I’ve liked most of the TOB quarter finalists I’ve read

I like just picking it up and reading without knowing anything about it

Did that with Orphan master's son

Blew my mind.
Yes, I've found some interesting new books through that annual ritual, and also quite enjoyed the bookchat that it generates ...

Hip, did you read last year's surprise winner, Schweblin's Fever Dream? It knocked out Sing, Unburied, Sing and Pachinko, both of which I thought were much better. I found it interesting but not my genre.
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04-17-2019 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RussellinToronto
Yes, I've found some interesting new books through that annual ritual, and also quite enjoyed the bookchat that it generates ...



Hip, did you read last year's surprise winner, Schweblin's Fever Dream? It knocked out Sing, Unburied, Sing and Pachinko, both of which I thought were much better. I found it interesting but not my genre.


I have not read that one yet. I fall further behind every year
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04-22-2019 , 08:48 AM
I picked up Murakami's Men Without Women and finished reading "Kino" this weekend ... came to post about it and found you guys have done all the hard work already.

Yeah, fantastic story... It was first published in 2015, so that makes it fairly modern for Murakami. His style and symbolism and main characters remain incredibly constant.

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A man with no money worries, in the midst of an existential crisis, loses a cat in every book he writes, it seems.


This story almost seems like a best-of mashup of his recurring images and themes. Only lacks for a well.

I can't add much more to analysis already done here, though I don't think anyone mentioned two major events.

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Kamita exorcising the possible yakuza guys, and Kino sleeping with the woman


I think it is probably important, one, how Kamita's position at the bar is described. He is tall but sits in a cramped space under a staircase. ... no spoilers necessary, that's the first graf of the story. His seat was "the most inconspicuous and the least comfortable."

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Also, why does Kino have to close the bar? Serious trouble occurred, "not because I did something wrong, but because I didn't do the right thing?" Kamita, however, is also at fault for whatever occurred.


EDIT: Used quotes, not spoiler tags. Oops. Fixed.

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04-22-2019 , 09:36 AM
A reddit thread on the meaning of Kino.

This story was excellent--just in case I didn't make that clear above. I'm still thinking about it.
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04-22-2019 , 12:21 PM
Out of this thread I got the suggestion for The Three Body Problem trilogy. Really excellent. It had some mixed reviews in this thread, and I think some of the critiques were fair. I've finished Three Body Problem and The Dark Forest, I'm working on book three now. I can highly, highly recommend all three. Thanks to everyone who reviewed it in this thread.
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04-22-2019 , 07:39 PM
Knights of the Green Cloth: The Saga of the Frontier Gamblers

One of Mason's recommendations. Very intriguing, crazy stories of poker in the 1800's. Would love to see a movie version made. Adventurous and wild story telling book.
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04-23-2019 , 12:09 AM
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Out of this thread I got the suggestion for The Three Body Problem trilogy. Really excellent. It had some mixed reviews in this thread, and I think some of the critiques were fair. I've finished Three Body Problem and The Dark Forest, I'm working on book three now. I can highly, highly recommend all three. Thanks to everyone who reviewed it in this thread.
It seemed as though book two was a different style that book one. I haven't read book three yet. Let us know what you think of it.
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04-23-2019 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Phat Mack
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I didn't find the right word to describe the snakes' intentions, and still haven't found it. What I meant to say was that the snakes can serve as guides, but whether they guide for good reasons or bad, or for good reasons or evil ones isn't easily known.

I like your interpretation of the postcards. I toyed with the idea that they were similar to the monoliths in 2001 in that they were instituted to track Kino's progress. I hadn't occurred to me that Kino's writing a message would trigger an alert. I saw it more as a failure to obey the gods.


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I think I understand your point regarding the snakes intentions.
If they are supposed to represent emotions like I think, then they're just something that need to be dealt with and followed, regardless of where they go. Depression is not a nice snake to deal with, but if Kino wants to recover he will need to face it.



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Originally Posted by ElSapo
I picked up Murakami's Men Without Women and finished reading "Kino" this weekend ... came to post about it and found you guys have done all the hard work already.

Yeah, fantastic story... It was first published in 2015, so that makes it fairly modern for Murakami. His style and symbolism and main characters remain incredibly constant.

Spoiler:
A man with no money worries, in the midst of an existential crisis, loses a cat in every book he writes, it seems.


This story almost seems like a best-of mashup of his recurring images and themes. Only lacks for a well.

I can't add much more to analysis already done here, though I don't think anyone mentioned two major events.

Spoiler:
Kamita exorcising the possible yakuza guys, and Kino sleeping with the woman


I think it is probably important, one, how Kamita's position at the bar is described. He is tall but sits in a cramped space under a staircase. ... no spoilers necessary, that's the first graf of the story. His seat was "the most inconspicuous and the least comfortable."

Spoiler:
Also, why does Kino have to close the bar? Serious trouble occurred, "not because I did something wrong, but because I didn't do the right thing?" Kamita, however, is also at fault for whatever occurred.


EDIT: Used quotes, not spoiler tags. Oops. Fixed.
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Good catch with Kamita's description and that importance which is revealed later on. He is a larger than life figure, capable of doing anything, but for some reason he's cramped in a corner.

I believe Kamita taking care of the two yakuza was to establish how Kamita can handle any situation quickly and effectively. When he tells Kino he needs to close the bar, it's been established that this guy knows what is best.
Of course, as the reddit article mentions, it is difficult to differentiate what is surreal and what is not. It's possible that this was also supposed to be a way of showing that Kino was not capable of handling tough business.

I think Kino had to close the bar in order to let the rain come/deal with his emotions. When the woman offers to show him something and he says (from what I recall) "Whatever it was she wanted to show me, I didn't want to see it," it's a good indication of just how apathetic to everything he is.
He was in a position to help, but chose not to. He was also in a position to potentially help himself but chose not to. He has completely withdrawn himself from the world at this point. When the cat, his sense of security, leaves and the snakes show up, he is about to be flooded with rain. If the bar is open then he will continue to be distracted and not deal with the rain or the snake. By being sent away he is very alone, forced to deal with his issues, and finally realize that he's been apathetic and needs to grieve.


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A reddit thread on the meaning of Kino.

This story was excellent--just in case I didn't make that clear above. I'm still thinking about it.
I am too. I bought a copy for a girl I'm dating, largely so she could read this short story. It really is something special, and summed up a portion of my life better than I could have ever hoped to do. Glad you enjoyed it as well, and thanks for linking that reddit thread, that guy has some nice takes.
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04-23-2019 , 11:52 AM
Just finished Alone in Berlin by Hans Fallada. It's based on the true story of a couple who left anti-nazi postcards around Berlin during the early years of WW2. The book really captures the stifling fear of living under a totalitarian regime. It was a great read.
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04-23-2019 , 03:09 PM
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When the cat, his sense of security, leaves and the snakes show up, he is about to be flooded with rain. If the bar is open then he will continue to be distracted and not deal with the rain or the snake. By being sent away he is very alone, forced to deal with his issues, and finally realize that he's been apathetic and needs to grieve.
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In many locations, it's the job of house cats to keep snakes out of the yard. (It is at my house.) It's possible that the cat was told to leave so that the snakes could enter. I think this would support the idea that the snakes represent emotions, and their time had come.

Also, I keep thinking about willows. I don't know what role they play in Japanese mythology, if they play any role at all. I don't remember willows in any other Murakami books, although they do appear in the Tom Bombadil story line of Lord of the Rings.
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04-24-2019 , 03:47 AM
I picked up Annie Leibovitz's At Work at La Biblioteca the other day with the idea of idly checking out some of the photos. Gave the text a try, and it turns out to be very good! She's a great communicator with a lot of great stories, going out to work with Hunter Thompson and Tom Wolfe etc. I love this book.
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04-27-2019 , 07:03 PM
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The Diaries of Emilio Renzi...The happy Years Vol. 2
Ricardo Piglia’s second vol. of three...only the first two available in English
As the NYTimes says accurately “an embarrassment of riches”
Piglia is/was a world class writer known for bring noir and the hardcore detective to Latin America. These volumes were derived/edited by an old man (Distinguished Prof at Princeton) as he sat dying of ALS, and you can almost hear him snickering at the young man (32) complaining of how the publication of his first great work changed nothing for him...same women problems (too many), same money problems, same depression.
Just so much here...its the deepest trip I’ve ever read into “the foul rag and bone shop” of an artists heart. You follow him thru the volumes as he reads, his critical thoughts, trenchant quotes. And there are his friends and acquaintances (Borges, Cortazar). From an early age he was fluent in English yet says at one point “no one could understand Faulkner like a native.”
His early love of, and short comments about, R. Chandler turn into critical essays. I refuse to comb back through the underlined passages but....from memory after seeing Chinatown says it was made from the book Chandler never wrote. Seeing Taxi Driver he remarks it was stolen from Notes from Underground
This bibliophilic manner is just part of the backdrop. He was writing in a country increasingly dangerous, exceedingly dangerous for those who know of Argentina in the seventies. Drama, danger, love, life in the cafes, all the experiences that take you to the man (any man) behind the curtain of art. This can be considered a novel of high order...but is much more.
It has left me with Chandler’s The High Window singing in my hot huge hands.
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04-27-2019 , 07:19 PM
The Bible.
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05-01-2019 , 12:08 PM
I'm rereading The Nix and loving it all over again. It and Jonathan Franzen's Freedom I'd say are easily the best 2 novels of the last 10 years. Can't wait to see what Nathan Hill writes next. He's got the imaginative power and narrative skills of a young John Irving.
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05-09-2019 , 10:01 AM
This was an interesting Obit about an inspiring character/writer/inspiration to M. Chabon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...27a_story.html
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05-10-2019 , 12:26 PM
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This was an interesting Obit about an inspiring character/writer/inspiration to M. Chabon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...27a_story.html
Thanks for posting this. It was both interesting to learn about the inspiration for Wonder Boys and pleasant to be reminded of the story. (The comments also recommend the film, which I haven't seen.)
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