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Originally Posted by RussellinToronto
My sense is that Lish was probably more huckster than con: a self-promoter for sure
The Carver biography by Sklenicka devotes significant attention to him. There's little doubt that Lish was instrumental in Carver becoming a significant writer, ensuring, for instance, that he was published in magazines such as
Esquire. I guess the issue is the point at which editing might be considered a form of authorial collaboration. For sure, Lish would never have come upon the initial ideas for the stories themselves---since he wasn't a down-and-out alcoholic and working class parent and thus wouldn't have possessed the sympathetic ear that Carver certainly possessed---but as a craftsman perhaps Lish was a hidden master. It always fascinated me that he wrote a textbook on grammar before he became an editor; also the fact that he fought so hard for recognition later in Carver's life does suggest that he may have felt like he was more an author than an editor (although there was a significant financial incentive to making this claim).
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Originally Posted by Gioco
I thought the story called After the Denim and If It Please You was far better without Lish's extreme cutting. Carver tells me things that I can't possibly infer or imagine from the story that Lish changed it into. I don't think Carver used any extra words to convey what he wanted; cutting into that does nothing but damage.
I haven't read them all closely enough, on a comparative basis, that is, but I can see what you're saying here. Some have been reduced by over 50%, others by far less, so it's probably best to assess them case-by-case. Much of the difficulty is that the Lish versions are imprinted in my memory as ideal examples of the modern short story: so it's inevitable, and, somewhat ironic, that I approach the original Carver versions with a negative bias. For me, it would seem that, ultimately, Carver was attached to the subject matter, and Lish to the style. In my mind, Lish can therefore lay some claim to the Carver sentence, and the author perhaps has greater claim to the stories and characters themselves (particularly as they are to a large extent autobiographical).