So I only say its a middling TH cuz I prefer Green, Haze, Doppel, any of the very or kkiiinnnggg versions more. Of the regular IPA offerings, I only immediately prefer it to Sap. That said, I think Julius is an amazing IPA and it probably is in my top 20 favorite IPAs to drink. It just so happens TH has like 5-6 higher that fit in that category

I think sap is pretty comfortably their weakest regular offering. It was one of the first beers of theirs I tried, and I really liked it as it was way different than Haze and Julius, but then they changed the recipe to make it juicier. So it's now mediocre in their juicy beer lineup and fails to be distinct.

eta: or maybe bright, but that's more of a personal preference, since I don't love mosaic bombs. It's at least a distinct IPA from the rest of their lineup.

I was going to suggest Russian River's Row 2 Hill 56 which is all Simcoe but it looks like RR hasn't had it in a while. Shame if its retired since it was great.

I would suggest maybe looking for a beer week event that focuses on single hops beers, I know there was one this year. We did the one a few years ago where is was the same base beer but different yeasts and it was really enlightening.

You probably already know this, but Fremont just released their Simcoe version of Field to Ferment. It's great. And their Cowiche Canyon fresh hop pale ale came out today, too. Haven't had one of this year's batch yet, but thanks to previous years, I still maintain that it's the best beer made in Seattle.

Any one in the know regarding this? I'm hearing they're no longer taking applications.

I'm hearing that treehouse is releasing cans of good morning tonight. Enjoy

When I said they had pulled me back in, I meant they had really pulled me back in. Had a can last night while watching the foxborough massacre; definitely as good as I remember it.

One of my buddies is heading up tonight, so I'll swap a can to give that chocolate milk-stout a try.

The good morning cans was false. Pretty lol that that was a rumor tbh. They have a bottling line for their stouts.

I just went cuz **** a job. Got there around 2:30 and was #75 in growlers, so prob 100 total ahead of me. Was banking on a 4 can allotment of in perp, but 3+1 growler not too bad. Growler line is quicker than it used to be. When I got inside #38 or so was on the bar, I only waited 20-25mins after getting to cans to leave with my 3 growlers.

We'll see on the new stout. Milk stout not my fave style, mainly for digestive reasons. Also trying dopplebanger for the first time, which tbh I'm not expecting to like much.

yeah doppelganger not one of my faves. Initial pour gave me nothing, but I think it's cuz I chewed gum on the drive home. But eventually flavor came through. Overly piney and sweet. Kinda like chewing a car freshener. Obv it's still pretty good but really not my bag. Maybe the 2nd growler will be better.

Shoulda gone one growler of each offering rather than 2 of doppel and no green.

The chocolate milk stout is legit. Don't wanna say it's in double shot's class or anything, but it's quite tasty. BUT, it's actually reminding me quite a bit of night shift's awake, which I have a can left of, so maybe I'll do a side by side at some point. This beer is def sweeter and a little fuller in feel, and more cocoa heavy obv, but pretty comparable.

I will say this is way way better than That's What She Said.

This is awesome, not quite as good as dreaming of the usual, but close. No malt, super juicy, my favorite style.

Now if they could up their volume a little and not make it so difficult to get...

El D,

If you are serious about wanting to learn hop profiles, dry hop some Bud Light. Buy one ounce of a few varietals, chuck some of each varietal in a bottle of Bud Light, and recap the bottle. Let sit for a few days, then do side-by-sides.

The two most classic hop profiles I can think of off the top of my head that you can for sure get are SNPA - Cascade and Bell's Two Hearted - Centennial.

Being able to pick out a specific hop in a beer that uses a blend, ie most beers, is pretty difficult for me. Except for citra, that hop always stands out a ton.

I also have a question about the brewing process. What does it mean when something is "continuously hopped?" Does it pertain to the boiling segment? Afterwards? The whole brewing process? Is there a clear definition or is it all marketing speak? Google just leaves me confused.

A few I've had tonight:

Beavertown Lupuloid IPA. Excellent, from one of the best breweries in the UK at the moment. Grapefruit with a strong piney backdrop.

Siren White Tips. Another of the UK's best breweries, but I'm not impressed with this one. Fairly mundane white IPA, too much wheat for me... though maybe that's to be expected at 4.5%?

Omnipollo Fatamorgana DIPA. Fantastic. Just get it. Possibly the best brewery in the world at the moment?

Beer peeps,

Thanks to KC and everyone else for hops info and recs.

I know that I love mosaic when fieldwork makes beer with it! This was delicious:


Had this oatmeal yeti today:

Description sounded like it was gonna be a little richer/softer and have some fruity notes, but it turned out to be pretty bitter and just very dark roast coffee flavor. Prob my least favorite yeti I've tried - the first one I haven't really enjoyed.

Saw this Grimm stuff at the store. Guess I'll have to give it a try:


Drinking fieldwork Seawall sea salt Ipa. Pretty good, but not as good as the seafarmer grapefruit version.

AFAIK it means constant hop additions in the kettle. I think DFH fabricated something for their 60/90/120 minute IPAs to continuously add hops. I've done an IPA with additions every five minutes, and that was a complete pain in the ass, so rigging something up is the way to go.

I haven't heard of anything like that post-boil, there'd be significant risk to the product.

Had some Clown Shoes Blaecorn Unidragon yesterday. Whoa. This is my perfect beer. Dark, smooth, smoky, and a high abv but doesn't taste like it. If you like stouts, this is a must.

i think i've had that clown shoes, and concur. I've had some really tasty stouts from them. They have some hoppy stuff that's hit or miss, and it's hard to track frenshness with them.

el d,

I've had that grimm super going. It was pretty awesome. They do that style well. Can't tell what the other is.. new label for Telekinesis? I've had that too but it's been a while.

mullen,

I might be in NY in a few weeks to see the descendents. Any chance you can hook me up with a hoppy Grimm offering and maybe some other half? Mainly want to try Grimm's new IPA, Splish. I'd be able to supply some trill, night shift, and maybe tree house.

all,

Doing a side by side of Night Shift Awake (coffee porter) and TH's ever so pretentiously titled All That Is and All That Will Ever Be (srsly wtf) (chocolate coffee milk stout) while NFL'ing. On first impression I thought ATIAATWEB was pretty comparable to Awake. Let's find out. They clock in at similar ABVs, with awake being 6.7% and ATIAATWEB being 6.5%.



Looks about the same.

Nose is similar, but awake has a bit more of an overly roasted coffee scent to it, whereas the sweet milk chocolate and milky sweetness comes through on the TH. Coffee still pretty present on the TH.

Taste follows suit. Awake has a bit more coffee, and it's bitterer, maybe overly roasted, whereas ATIAATWEB is almost overwhelmingly chocolate, with the coffee being pretty subtle. It's quite sweet.

Feel is where TH sets itself apart a bit, as expected. Very creamy and full. Awake isn't thin by any means, just not quite as smooth.

Overall, meh, depends what you're in the mood for. I guess ATIAATWEB is an objectively better beer, but the sweetness might do some people in. I'd prefer a 10-12oz poor of this, rather than a 16oz. Awake is a bit more quaffable since it's not crazy sweet. Awake I can also get pretty much any day of the week.

Now I need a nap.

This comparison that comes down to feel seems to say that its a porter vs a stout where I expect the stout to have a creamier feel. I'd be curious to see ATIAATWEB tasted next to NS's el lechedor, which is also a milk stout. It might come out similarly because as much as I like lechedor, its a bit thin for a milk stout

yeah this might be where RDH or others can help. Traditionally I think of a porter as a lower abv cousin to the stout. Most porters I've had are fairly low abv compared to stouts. (mayflower porter is 5.5%, stone smoked porter is 5.9%), so though Awake is a porter, clocking in at 6.7%, it's really more like a stout imo.

But I'm a newb.

eta: fedfan, I'm less impressed by In Perp this batch, but this might be a me thing. past few beers with nelson in them, I've had a hard time picking up on it. This is like all citra to me.

Obviously not mullen, but I might be able to help you here on Splish. TBD, but I scored a ton of Afterimage and less so of Lambo Door/Pulse Wave, so will see what I can find this week.

To learn more about which hop varieties you enjoy, you should look up each hoppy beer you drink and look for the listed hops. If at a brewery, ask them what they used.

Once you know what hops you are drinking, then take a look at the individual profiles of each hop in the beer. Combine that with your experience (taste, smell, enjoyment) of the beer.

This is not the best one to study. You have 8 hops there in the beer, so you're not going to be getting a ton of dominant single hop flavors.

However, what sticks out to me is Amarillo being at the very end of the boil and dry hopped. You should get a lot of that hop's flavor and aroma in this beer, with some Simcoe as well.

If you love the taste and nose on this beer, it's likely you at least enjoy some well made beers with those two hops in it.

I wouldn't make too strong of judgements based on only one beer though. Crop year, location, brewer's ability, malt profile, yeast (less so in west coast style IPAs), volume of hops added, varieties of hops (and when and how much of each) and beer's age all can play a real role in your opinion of an IPA.

Pm'd you kc

Had some of TH ATIAAWEB this weekend and I have to say it was immediately one of my favorite 5 or so stout <7% abv. I think Last Snow is at the top of my list for porters/stouts under 7%, but this compared favorably.

Rolled the dice on a 2015 Bourbon County this weekend:





Followed it up with a fruit-flavored stout from New Holland, also about a year old:




Gave up on beer after that. Not a good weekend for basement stouts.

I did go out to eat last night with the family and found Alpha King, 3 Floyd's War Mullet, and Lagunitas Born Yesterday on tap. So that was good.