It's much more than what happened in the webisodes. But that was the tipping point. You really have to think of everything that's gone on with the character since the beginning.

I imagine Dualla's suicide didn't help matters either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3gUY940chg

Ryan, don't get me wrong, i understand Gaeta's psyche, i'm just not quite sold on a logical motivation for his mutiny. not that there needs to be one....not sure he really knew why he did it.

http://tvbacon.wordpress.com/2009/02...s-to-our-harm/

makes sense

Lol. That does make me sympathize with him much more, however mashing up all the those events together influences one's opinion much more than showing the other events that grey the area a bit. Gaeta is the most sympathetic character on the show, IMO. He just gets **** on left and right, all while trying to do the right thing. He still has to die, though.

That said, Adama over-reached his authority in forcing the technology on the ships.

I don't agree with this....they need to find a new home - quickly. Or else, they're just going to float in space until they run out of resources. The Cylon FTL drives give them the best chance to do that.

I'd also like to say that as much as Gaeta witnessed he's gone way overboard. You don't get to execute anybody in your way because you've gone all cylonicide. Trying to assassinate your President simply because her voicing an opinion would muss up your revolt is just batty.

Just get a teddy-bear, Gaeta, and cry your eyes out. It's less deadly.

IIRC they can't run out of resources. Also, they have their own FTL. The reason they wanted the Cylon technology would be to jump quicker, and farther. The tech change wasn't necessary for survival in an immediate sense. Switching into martial law (effectively) would require extreme circumstances, of which they weren't in.

Of course their resources are severely limited...they've said so all along. Being able to jump quicker and farther is incredibly important if they're going to find a hospitable planet.

This show is remarkable. After



I was sad when it actually happened. The arcs for these characters is epic. Each arc runs from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other. Somebody like Baltar can go from horribly selfish to somebody I can empathize with, while retaining flashes of his self-interest which never ceases to amuse me when it shows up.

Limited resources is different than running out. In the beginning of the series they mentioned something about being self-sustainable, but I'm not sure about that. Either way, there are many things they could do to increase their chances, but that doesn't give Adama the right to force the fleet by gunpoint. The decision isn't find a home or die, Adama cannot disregard the chain of command when he deems it necessary.

Only galactica is semi self-sustaining iirc. It filters and recycles water, etc. Even then they needed to reload supplies after some (year?) amount of time. The rest of the fleet isn't supposed to be nearly as efficient. Additionally tillium (sp?) has to be mined from somewhere and is just refined in the tillium ship (one episode has them looking for tillium). I agree, that Roselyn should have been the one to insist that all ships must use the cylon FTL drives, but she was sort of out of commission. for a while there.

The Galactica is going to be either intentionally destroyed or will break apart. The massive crack in the hull in the FTL bays and the crack we know Adama' sees based on the promo stuff are just the beginnings of the ships demise.

Water comes from another ship, but you're probably correct, though, with respect to the rest of the necessary resources; however, it does still not give Adama the right to set aside chain of command. Aside from the fact that you're simply stirring the hornets nest, it's morally bankrupt since there is no dire need for the Cylon FTL.

I laughed. Was the first time he made me do that in a while.

Wow these last two episodes have been some of the most exciting TV in the last couple of years.

I'm convinced Ellen is not the fifth cylon in the sense meant in this series. They're pulling a fast one with that.

It's definitely Adama or Roslyn.


I'm thinking Roslyn now, because for Adama there are some strong contraindications to this (he has offspring for example and must be known to lots of people throughout his life given his military career), whilst Roslyn has none or very little.

The only strong indication that it is Adama now is the fact the models were based on archetypes of the Gods, and he fits Zeus to a tee.

I think Roslyn and Adama are human and will remain that way....Starbuck is the key.

She is the key to something


But I'm sure one of those two is the fifth and the final drama will revolve around epic betrayal vs acceptance

...still no.

Someone's letting their love for Starbuck cloud their judgment...

I still think it's Adama...but I won't bet on it anymore.

someone's not paying attention if they think Starbuck isn't the key to everything.

I don't know...isn't Starbuck's relevance kind of over now? Her whole purpose was to lead them to earth...ok, so she did that. Starbuck can be officially killed off now.

(Not that I really want that to happen but they definitely seem bent on thinning the ranks on BSG.)

Everybody makes a point to say "we don't even know WHAT you are", so I'm thinking her relevance is still afloat considering we don't even know what she is yet. She was also supposed to be the harbinger of humanity, so that's a little dangly bit out there. Earth being nukey paradise doesn't give a fate to humanity, so her role in human destiny is still in play.

I don't see how a primary character being brought back from the dead with a new body wouldn't ultimately be relevant, especially considering it appears to be exactly what happened with the final five.

Some sort of god figure is clearly in play here and will be more pronounced by the end, which reminds me...

The return of Baltar's in head Six has to be coming very soon. She's been missing a long time now, and I suspect his choice to return to Galactica will be the catalyst for her to reappear. At some point we'll probably see Six's in head Baltar too, although I suppose they could have saved that for "The Plan" movie that's coming down the road.

Didn't we just see Baltar's in head Six - wasn't she the long haired one who was with him in the bed on the Cylon Baseship before he went back to Galactica?

I didn't think so. She appeared to be real, and we would've seen more of a "You're back!" moment from him. Since she's been gone so long they would want to make it clear.

I can't decide which Six that was... Gina or some such? One of the bigger writing mistakes from this show was when they decided to create too many Six variants. I consider myself a pretty big fan (seen every episode), and even I've had trouble keeping up with that one.

Baltar's head Six has pretty much always been blonde too.