SNL's parody:

That was very very clever, this one not so much, but funnier

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6ab...ode-of-serial/

I think I'm getting more joy from the parodies than the show. Soothed me to sleep for 12 nights tho

Good read, thanks!

Did Adnan ever explain how he thinks Jay new where the car was?

Adnan never explained anything...

What would be the point? You are either going to believe him or you're not. He can't do anything about that. Kinda like how all odds are really 50/50.

If he's innocent he has no idea how Jay knew this, so what's the point?

I'm partway through episode 9 and haven't reached "addicted" status. I find it interesting and the production is top notch. If I didn't listen to the rest of the show I'd be ok but I'm merely listening at this point so I can join the conversation that is already yesterday's news. :/

Apparently Jay offered to do an interview but has since reneged.

Jay Interview:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...ial-case-pt-1/

Solid read. Adnan still 100% guilty.

Why does Jay decide to do this interview but not Serial? I guess once it goes viral he felt obligated where he originally didn't think the story would go anywhere.

I get the whole stop snitching thing but it's not like he was avon barksdale or something. He was just a low level weed dealer.

I wouldn't have done serial if I were him. Koenig's been talking to Adnan for months, and Jay's gonna get a one hour convo where koenig will edit whatever parts she feels like onto her podcast.

3-5 years in jail for an 18 year old is a pretty terrifying prospect, I'd imagine.

Everything he says seems legit to me. I think the don't snitch thing was more to paint the picture of the lens he saw the world through. He felt a lot of different pressures and one of them was you don't snitch, another was to do the right thing, another was to protect himself, his family, his friends...I dont think the don't snitch aspect or any other can be given full credit for what he did at the time or should be put to that standard.

If he is lying he is very good at it. I can't find a reason to doubt a thing he said in this interview, or find a motivation for him to do it at all if he was lying. This story makes perfect sense including his explanation for lying in the first place.

Wow. Just read the comments on that article. There are a ton of people who think Adnan is innocent and jay did it. Anyone here that coonvincrd that Adnan did not do it and Jay 100% framed him? I don't mean reasonable doubt/not guilty, I mean innocent/framed?

Yup, good interview. Adnan as guilty as can be of course.

I think a lot of people are easily led by the tone Koenig used. I wonder about her. She kept presenting us with the false dichotomy that Adnan was either innocent or a psychopath and I question whether she is really this naive or deliberately leading her audience on just to create a story where there isn't one.

The comments on that page are idiotic beyond belief.

It's the latter, imo. She organizes the story in a classic persuasion setup: Strong introduction, bad stuff in the middle, strong ending, which takes advantage of the primacy and recency effects, and there is no doubt that it is intentionally. She starts off with saying how Anand is such a great student, athlete, homecoming king, well spoken, can't possibly be a murderer, etc. By this point, a large part of the audience is already convinced that he is not the type of person that will kill, when they haven't even gotten into the story yet. She puts the damning stuff in the middle, where it has the least persuasive effect on the listeners. She puts more of the "there is no way this kid did it, it must have been a serial killer that was in cahoots with Jay" stuff in the end. She presents the arguments against Anand in a generally weak manner, and the arguments in favor of Anand in a persuasive manner. They are all classic lawyer tricks that are taught in every law school in the country.

Her rhetorical questions, such as your example where she keeps asking "is he a ruthless psychopath?" are inserted to persuade you that he did not do it, because they call for extremes and people generally respond to more reasonable, moderate explanations for things. If the only way he can do this is by being an extreme psychopath, it is more likely that this well spoken homecoming prince isn't a psychopath and didn't do it. It ignores the more likely premise that the kid isn't a psychopath and snapped and overreacted, which accounts for the vast majority of violent crimes.

I feel like I am ranting, so I'll just end it here. I feel like every episode of this podcast has been a way to sell the audience that Adnand didn't do it, when the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that he did.

Not ranting, good post.

Not ranting at all. Interesting stuff. I was not seeing any of those tendancies when I listened to the podcast and they were not working on me, but I see what you are saying in retrospect. I wonder if it is possible it was not that thought out on her part though? Sarah was naive, maybe charmed, and mostly is being selfish about a desire to not be either of those things which is why she has to lean toward innocent. Otherwise he outwitted her at least the majority of the time they spent together, and she doesn't like what that says about her. That's also the motivation for the false all or nothing psychopath/innocent choice. If it's in between she got fooled by a common criminal.

Edit : actually it did work on me frequently looking back. I flip flopped a few times where I may not have if the order the information was revealed had been different.

i mostly agree with donkjr, although i think part of the reason for her presentation style is to justify the show's existence.

she saw a case that she could potentially have an impact on, she hoped it would, and was setting it up as such....but ultimately her reporting never backed up her theory that there was something amiss in the case.

i remember her being super disappointed that adnan didn't react to the library girl story, which she thought was a huge breakthrough....really should've been a sign to her that this podcast was going to go nowhere in a hurry. but on she went. you can't very well have a radio show that follows an open and shut case and expect it to be interesting, so she played up every piece of doubt.

if you want a really great true crime serial, i'd recommend a miniseries called The Staircase which follows a real life murder case. it is thorough and excellent...whole thing is on Youtube.

That's why I didn't find Serial particularly compelling and I don't understand why the whole nation took to it. People who have never listened to a podcast before are now raving. She tried to make something out of nothing and then at the end when you find out there was nothing, it's like what was i listening for.

If the 2nd part to the interview gets posted. Please post the link in here.

Koenigs bias was what made it so interesting. I don't think it was intentional or designed to drive the story, she just really liked Adnan and decided that she couldn't like a murderer that much, so he must be either totally innocent or an incredible manipulator. She either can't or won't acknowledge that she's not a perfect judge of character, and that talking on the phone once a week to a 30 year old inmate is maybe not the best way to evaluate the character of his 17 year old self.

These biases, for and against Adnan or Jay, and the communities the (white) audience insists they represent, run like an undercurrent throughout the entire series. Everyone believes whatever confirms their initial notions. That koenig doesn't realize this makes the point even stronger; she should be castigating the jury for voting to convict because Jay is polite and Gutierrez was a shrieking hellbeast, but to do so would implicate her own biases, which are a mirror reflection of the jurists she spoke with.

TLDR: Justice, at least at the margins, is mostly driven by #feelings.

Also, Rabia Chaudry (the lawyer who originally brought the case up to Chaudry) is going absolutely HAM on twitter over this Jay interview.