God damn I'm hooked and I think adnan was framed

Just heard about this a few days ago and of course I'm caught up.

Im leaning towards he did it but def think its possible he didn't.

having listened to 4 episodes, he's 100% guilty. don't really see any point listening further. host is annoyingly naive, constantly trying to play up doubt.

how could anyone think he is even .1% innocent? not trying to be an ass but i just don't get the appeal of this. he's obviously guilty based on what we've learned, and has been found guilty already.

Having listened to half the available episodes, and 1/3 the total, your evidence-based conclusion is well founded.

How many more episodes are there actually? I feel like the story's been told, he did it, it's obvious. The only thing really interesting at this point would be perhaps Adnan being confronted with that and hearing how he reacts.

i think that happened already when his verdict was read

agreed!

agreed

would be interested in hearing where the reasonable doubt is in this case from those who are unsure. the library "witness"? come on.

So how is this different from a book-on-tape?

...Because Jay's testimony had quite the number of holes in it and there was no actual proof linking Adnan to the murder.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Sara's naiveness either.

This comment came across as doubting this would be good. I was wrong. 6 episodes in and all I can think about is getting home tonight so I can finish the rest.

Fully addicted to this podcast. Marathoned first 9 episodes today. Gonna re-listen to everything again this week and try taking notes because there are so many conflicting things.

I'm convinced that Adnon is the murderer. He doesn't come off as being the victim of a great injustice to me whatsoever. And while there are definitely a lot of weird details, I can't even imagine a scenario in which he isn't the killer that makes any sense. I still love the podcast, it's fascinating how charming Adnon can be even though there's no doubt in my mind that he's guilty.

What makes this case so great is how difficult it is to just come up with an opinion that doesn't require dozens of qualifications.

Occam's Razor points to Adnan having done it, but there is so much bs between Jay and Jenn's statements to police and testimony that the whole thing is ****ed up.

The court transcript is probably available somewhere and I'm just too lazy to find and look through it, but I just don't understand how his attorney could have not just destroyed the prosecution's case. So bizarre that they appear to have done so little to present an alternate theory with Jay given all the possibilities.

Listened to all 9 episodes yesterday. My impression of the case:

1. Although the narrator gets caught up in the small details behind Jay's testimony, here's the bottom line: Adnan claims he had absolutely nothing to do with Hae's murder and that he was completely innocent. Jay says Adnan mentioned he was going to kill Hae, murdered her, showed him the dead body, and then buried it. Forget about cell towers and phone booths, one of them is completely fabricating their entire story.

2. If Adnan is completely innocent, what struck me as most bizarre is why he wasn't accusing Jay and demanding justice to the point of insanity. If I'm completely innocent and have been locked up for 15 years because the guy really involved in the murder made up a story about me killing my ex girlfriend, I'd be going mad trying to convince Sarah to investigate him further. Why is Adnan mentioning something specific like the timeline to go from school to killing Hae in 20 minutes being impossible. If you're completely innocent, Jay's entire story is fake! Why are you focusing on the small details?

gut feeling is that he doesn't do this because it would basically be accusing Jay of murder (because Jay is admittedly involved quite a bit. otherwise would require an additional unaccounted person being fully responsible). and this would sit terribly with Adnan because Adnan is probably guilty

Thought this episode was really good.



I agree that Adnan is acting weird for someone who says he is innocent. I also think Jay is super shady. I also think Adnan's lawyer did a crappy job. So basically I don't know what to think.

Edit - liked this from Reddit: "I'm an atheist but if you can convince me Hell is real and Cristina Gutierrez's voice is piped in 24/7 I'll see you church in the morning."

i think adnon's lawyer had a growing brain tumor that made her extra stupid and annoying towards the end of her life. or she had a well-concealed drug addiction and she was super high in court

Addicted. Subscribed.

finally saw something about this on facebook (what took so long for someone to talk about it ffs) and listened to first episode today. hooked.

halfway through ep 4 and i'm convinced the right person is in prison.

Adnan acts so weird and casual. Like a guy who knows he's deservingly in prison, and has gotten to the point where he has thought about how to act and what to say so much that he can present himself as "normal".

pretty sure she broke up with him and he went full crazy muslim with the honor killing

honor killing is when you kill your sister/daughter to preserve the family's honor, a despicable islamic "tradition"

this was straight up jealousy-driven murder from a psychopath

my bad on calling it a honor killing.

i still think his being muslim had something to do with this. don't see the need to pretend he was just an ordinary dude from regular family.

I felt this article nailed a lot of points

http://www.theawl.com/2014/11/serial...rter-privilege

Being a Muslim is normal and regular.

His parents were regular?

I see I've awoken the pc crowd.

Muslim culture features quite a lot of repression and violence. This is especially true towards women; Muslim countries have very high incidences of domestic violence and rape. This is also true in Muslim immigrant communities around the world.

I don't have any reason to believe that Muslim views on women played into this case, so I would withhold judgment on it.