Slighted, I’m not claiming to be a victim and I don’t know many conservatives that are. As far as I know an overwhelming majority of the victim claiming is all still coming from the left. There is no need for you to worry that the right is trying to steal your all’s move - there is nothing I, or a conservative, can say to take that away from you.

To address your examples: I am all for listening to ideas on how to fix immigration, how to make health care cheaper (but I won’t entertain “free healthcare” since there is no way for that to happen), how to give women an option to pay for reproductive health care and prevent people from being systematically disenfranchised.

mickey, it's a badly flawed process and system, even if your values are mostly upheld. the proper line is disestablishment, everything else is abuse and manipulation of information and lip service.

You literally just said years from now people are going to cringe at how mean people like me were to people like you... pretty sure that’s claiming you are a victim right now of “meanness” from the left.

All of those solutions exist. And yes even Medicare for all is extremely possible. Even a right wing think tank has put out a study mistakenly showing it’s no more expensive than what the existing health system costs now and may be cheaper.

Republicans don’t want to fix them because again these things are features not bugs of the Republican platform. They want to funnel money to the rich and convince the unintelligent that trickle down exists even in the face of evidence showing corporations spent almost the entirety of their insane tax cuts on stock buybacks and not employees.

Republicans want trump to keep riling people up with lies about immigration to keep you scared so you don’t actually figure out immigration is greatly beneficial to the US economy and immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than natural born citizens.

Republicans are anti-choice because they “hate abortion” but they continue to crap on democratic policies like free birth control, sex education, and free/cheap healthcare all which make abortions fewer and safer. But that would relinquish control over women for the politicians and silly religious reasons. Colorado provides free birth control and lowered teen pregnancies by 40% and abortions by 35% over a five year period with a simple and easy solution.

These things aren’t the impossible fixes that the narrative the republicans want to push says they are. The conservatives just don’t want to fix them.

I talked about a few things in my previous post. What system are you referring to?

I didn’t even get into the disenfranchisement. Republicans don’t want people to vote. They don’t win free and fair elections in most cases. They have Created the voter fraud myth to allow for this massive disenfranchising because they don’t have policies that are popular.

Teenagers should be automatically registered to vote upon turning 18. These systems are already in place for the draft. They electronically track kids from 18-25. There is no reason why this country shouldn’t be making voting EASIER. There is nothing more American than voting. But oh yeah one party LOSES when more people vote.

I mean these are easy concepts but again, I know I’m speaking to a brick wall because you don’t actually care about the solutions to the problems you posited. You want them to continue to be problems because it either

A) keeps the racist, sexist, bigoted agenda going
B) owns the libs because you Either aren’t smart or are A
C) keeps the country in a state of division which is profitable for some.
D) you aren’t intelligent

You get to choose which one is you. But those are really the only options.

Saying the lefts personal attack on 150 million people is cringeworthy does not equal saying the 150 million people are victims.

Corporations did spend a significant amount on buybacks, but you can also google corporations that gave raises or bonuses if you have a couple hours to read the list of those companies. Tax cuts, if they are long-term cuts, have long term effects and raises usually only come when companies are confident about economic growth. What we are seeing is ultra low unemployment and what will follow is wage growth to likes most of us have never seen in our lives.

I agree immigration (within reason) is a net positive for economic growth and no I’m not worried about crime from immigrants.

Lol at saying republicans are anti-choice. I don’t think the government should offer free birth control. I do think some health care plans should cover birth control because I think we should be able to choose if we want that included in our plans.

When I said free health care is impossible I was just saying exactly that. There is no such thing as free healthcare. If you want to talk about that let’s call it what it is, healthcare paid for by rich people.

Serious question slighted, do you know one person who is a legal US resident who can’t vote?

all you care about is money

Could you cite your sources regarding this whole "wage growth to likes most of us have never seen in our lives?"

Because we haven't really seen a whole lot of wage growth in the last forty years compared to inflation. Also, didn't we JUST reach pre-recession median household income levels?

****ING SICK BRO WE'RE REALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE NOW

You read my post and that is your only thought?

You would be shocked if you got to know me how little I care about money. Not that I don’t make and spend a decent amount, but when making decisions where I could save or make more money doing so carries little weight with me.

I don't read any of your posts and find politics to be an abhorred cultist and downright pathetic excuse for cerebral exercise and discourse.

“Total wages, which factors in both average hourly earnings as well as the total number of hours worked, are up 5.1% in the past year”

“ In August, those total wages had increased to a $6.2 trillion annual rate – a boost of $200 billion per year. By contrast, corporate profits - which have also grown rapidly - were up by just $100 billion annualized from the end of 2017 through the second quarter. Workers have taken home two times more than companies!”

“Usual earnings for the median full-time wage & salary worker grew 2.0% in the year ending in the second quarter this year. But these earnings grew 3.9% for workers at the bottom 10th percentile, while workers at the top 10th percentile had their usual earnings grow only 1.2%. Usual earnings for people who never finished high school are up 7.6% in the past year, faster growth than for any other educational category.”

So you can stop with all the wage growth isn’t coming. It is already here and it is just starting. You are right about one thing: we haven’t had real wage growth in 40 years... that was before the cuts though.

I know your next argument was going to be something about how how only the rich get wage growth so I went ahead and saved you from looking stupid. You are welcome.

https://www.ftportfolios.com/Comment...rowth-steps-up

Good idea. Stick to making random claims about people you don’t know - like they only care about money. Talking about pathetic.

I’ll have to find the source but I’m pretty sure it was Bloomberg that cited corporations spent something like 100x what they spent on wages/bonus on buybacks. There is no such thing as trickle down it was made up by another unqualified president to hoodwink the middle class. The American worker has higher productivity than ever and is not compensated for that and a tax cut for corporations to line their pockets is not going to help no matter how many short term data sets you want to highlight since wage growth percentages have been climbing steadily since the downturn in 2008.

And to answer your voter question there are 70k+ native Americans in North Dakota and 53k people in Georgia that can’t vote right now because of republicans intentionally targeting them to keep them from voting. You do a lot of playing dumb for someone trying to sound smart.

To answer the inevitable conservitard follow up question. Will those people be able to vote eventually? Maybe. But hold them up long enough to pass the deadlines/elections or make them go through so many hoops it becomes impossible for them to navigate which is the whole point.

You aren’t on the side of good or righteous or anything remotely moral. And if you’re ok with that that’s fine. But don’t pretend otherwise, it makes you look dumb to people who aren’t.

Is there any particular reason you guys are wasting your time trying to argue serious points to a guy with tofu for brains?

I’ve come here to dunk on people like twice and both times it’s been because I’ve been visiting my mother and she doesn’t have internet so I have nothing else to do but stream Netflix on my phone and view 2+2.

But yeah I agree it isn’t very spotting anymore. We’ve chased away most of the fish.

the economy is a magicians top hat. please continue with the magic show, i'm sure it will lead to a productive outcome.

I always like that the Medicare for all is too expensive people are also all trickledowners. So when they tell you if you give tax cuts to the rich your employers will pass that to you, you can reassure them that if they believe that then they certainly believe that if Medicare for all is implemented that their employees will SURELY give them raises to make up for their individual increased tax burden since the employers won’t be paying into employer healthcare plans. The employers/corporations would never keep that money from the worker, they strive to give saved money back to the employees,RIGHT??

That’s how trickle down works right?? So surely Medicare for all is trickle down APPROVED...

Cliffs for the last 2 pages for those who don’t want to weave through what we’ve just seen.

Band of clowns: companies are keeping all the money they saved on taxes this year and we haven’t seen wage growth in 40 years
Hero: neither of those claims are true
Clowns: sources
Hero: <source that proves both of those claims are wrong>
Clowns: (closes their eyes and violent shakes their heads in disbelief) repeats that companies are keeping all the money they saved on taxes this year and we haven’t seen wage growth in 40 years
Clowns: despite your source contradicting what my puppet master has told me I am told to repeat my theory that trickle down doesn’t work because I’m told if we ignore almost all relevant variables it is true trickle down doesn’t work
Clowns: let’s switch topics since I feel stupid after reading your source. Let’s talk about voter ID laws.
Clowns: why are you all wasting your time with hero? You know he’s going to outsmart you with logic again - let’s try to kick him out and change the name of this thread to “echo chamber #64”

Gonna need cliffs of your cliffs bahbah. I usually stop reading your posts before the end of the second sentence.

You know your boy has got you and really this could be cliffs of the whole thread. Let me know if I can help you with anything else.

Cliffs of cliffs-

Clown: hey would just say bad things about trump and ignore things that are good
Hero: another good thing trump did
Clown: sources?
Hero: <source>
Clowns: why do we listen to hero? All he does is come here and post relevant stuff and back it up.
Hero: I have to keep you people on topic
Clowns: <random YouTube video that has nothing to do with GOATrump in a feeble attempt to distract others from the fact that hero made the clowns look stupid.>

Post script: I am still waiting on a response to the claim I disproved about real wage growth. Not to brag, but I called that it was coming before the tax bill was even signed.

I’m not trying to spike the football by the way. Just trying to point out again that your puppet masters are lying to you again.

tl;dr