ty for your help ladies re the flowers

I do understand what you THINK you are saying, but the reality is that it is the ones that you WANT to go that extra mile for and the ones that you spend the extra time thinking and planning for that are the 'right' ones imo.

If you're indifferent and can just slap any old flowers down on her birthday/anniversary etc..do you actually like her enough?

It isn't about getting it right/wrong, it is about wanting to try!
hold out for one that inspires you to give 110% and obv one that gives you that same effort back.

Kristy, Gizzy. What's your opinions on men shaving their pubic areas, hawt or nawt?

Ladies

Spock or Kirk?
Picard or Riker?
The Fonz or Danny Zucko?
Bond or Bourne?

Spock, and staying groomed is always HAWT

no u

I prefer some hair, neatly trimmed, so that is doesn't get in my mouth. No hair only works esthetically if the rest of you is pretty hairless.

answers in red

If you had to French kiss one, which ones:

Angelina or Aniston?
Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore?
Uma Thurman or Darryl Hannah?
Megan Fox or Lindsay Lohan?

at time of filming, ldo. It's Bond I mean, the character Bond. Not the actor.

Say Wat Pelican? Don't know who picard or riker are, aren't there multiple danny zuckos and bonds is this ? really fair?

[x] nit itt

Bourne.

I've said before, if you expect us to keep it neat and clean, then you should do so yourself.
However stubble is never enjoyable. So, yeah, just keep it neat. Pruned, if you will.

You have to be kidding me.

Aniston
Diaz
Thurman
Fox

David Brent or Michael Scott?
Gareth or Dwight?



(under/over the girls know what the hell I'm talking about?)

All Bonds combined are too showy for me.
(though had it been Sean Connery..I might have acquiesced..I love the accent.)

Awesome answer, which keeps me in the clear

I'm well aware of what I am saying. I've learned through hard experience that you wind up happier with ones where you only have to go the extra mile on non-trivial matters. If you're always jumping through hoops and waiting for the next one to come up, it's not love, it's fear of loneliness, it's emotional blackmail, it's lack of self respect on your part and respect for you on your partner's part.

Crank this question into reverse and ask yourself how "deep" or "flawless" a little gift from a girl would have to be for a guy to appreciate and maybe even be flattered by the gesture, and how likely he would be to search out opportunities to judge her negatively about it. Doesn't it seem stupid now to talk about the importance and meaningfulness of utterly finessing it?

I spend ages thinking about things like the right Christmas present, because I want the person who gets it to be really happy with it and think it's the right choice. But I don't buy Christmas presents for everybody, and think token gifts are just that -- tokens. They don't reveal anything more than that you were thinking about a person and shouldn't have to.

Any old flowers? We just have a different way of looking at things. If how much you like someone has much at all to do with the material things you are giving them, both of you are doing it wrong by my lights. But I'm not everybody. However, that's the point I was making too -- you choose people you don't have to bend over backward to please and who aren't shallow or fussy, or suffer the consequences and then have nothing to complain about when they feel insulted by getting roses or whatever spider it is that got up their butt that week.

A mindful daily effort to be your honestly best self every day should make the rest take care of itself. If it doesn't, you're with the wrong person and it's probably time to make a change. If material goods even come into consideration, you're not with the best person for you by definition. I say that from not just personal experience but from watching a lot of people I know who think making their partners jump through hoops to validate their egos winding up divorced. Which is exactly what they should be.

A lot of people have no idea what's important and it shows up quite clearly in their lives.

Kristy

You got Blarged.

Meh, we're arguing the same thing now.

(not that he'll admit that, he's hell-bent on implying I'm shallow..when really all I've said is DO YOUR BEST and I FLOWERS!!)

after further review I am pretty sure I am right.

You're talking about being more judgmental about gifts than I am. My stance is you're lucky to get anything and should be happy and not judgmental when you do. If someone who gets you red roses is boring, he deserves better.

say wat one more god damn time

wat did the mod say when you PM'd him about ur thread going AWOL

I respected you as a human being up until you entered this conversation. Thus far you seem more than intent on proving you have little to no understanding of the workings of personal relationships and women in general.

If you want to continue to compare apples to oranges, by all means, lets talk about the flowers one could get for someone they've dated for years/are married to vs someone who's still trying to make an impression on a girl.

You seem to be half arguing against yourself, stating that the flowers themselves don't send a message, but giving a gift sends the message that you were thinking of that person.

If the message you want to send is that you thought of that person and immediately did something in response, yes, you can pick any gift and that message will get across.

If you want to send a message that says I thought about you, then stopped to think about who you are and how I want you to think about me, then spending some time considering your options isn't a bad idea.

You seem to say it's desperate to try to impress a girl. I think I'd rather be the desperate one in the situation. If she's so desperate that you could give her a vase filled with lawn trimmings and she'd be grateful, what does that say about her? Easily impressed? You betcha.

That's just the kind of girl I want to date and then wonder about when she goes out to a bar with her friends, a girl who's immediately impressed by the simple things in life.