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Marriage doesn't work in modern society. Marriage doesn't work in modern society.

08-23-2010 , 11:22 AM
Marriage doesn't work in modern society.

to fully rebutt this statement, let me say this...

Marriage works in modern society.

so there.

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08-23-2010 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CWhit55
Actually, I'm the kind of person that when I find an underage girl I am comfortable with I hold on to it for dear life and never want to let it go and think the best way to do this is by posting child porn of them on the internet to boost my cyber rep because i'm a pathetic needy ****** who needs validation from people i will never meet.
sorry i messed it up first time
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08-23-2010 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kickflip252
Marriage, like anything worth keeping going, requires work by both the husband and the wife.
I disagree.

Marriage - or any type of relationship - requires attention. There is no possible way you could describe the attention I give to my marriage as "work".
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08-23-2010 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevroc
Stable families are conducive to horse pr0n.

Further, I would like for my wife to be commited, plz.

Further x2, this thread needs some Kristy.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Then you changed their meanings.

ISWYDT


Further:
Spoiler:
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08-23-2010 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ursine cotcher
sorry i messed it up first time
On the real, I really don't give a **** what you say about me, but don't accuse me of posting child porn.
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08-23-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CWhit55
On the real, I really don't give a **** what you say about me, but don't accuse me of posting child porn.
but you did, and you confirmed it. a bunch of people prob looked at that pic like i did before they had any idea she was 16.... you told us like pages after posting the pic.

Last edited by Glo4ming; 08-23-2010 at 02:50 PM. Reason: and she was your avatar for a while too ffs
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08-23-2010 , 03:01 PM
Did not read much of this because, well, it just wasnt that funny or entertaining.

My 2 cents:

Marriage is a contract.

A contract entered into under duress, derision, or deception is INVALID.

Traditionally, marriage was a contract involving the sale of a woman. While I can see an upside, its still wrong.

A person cannot legally sell themselves in any other situation outside of marriage.

ALL marriage should be illegal.
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08-23-2010 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Glo4ming
but you did, and you confirmed it. a bunch of people prob looked at that pic like i did before they had any idea she was 16.... you told us like pages after posting the pic.
Nonononono, I said she was 16 in the picture where she was wearing the giants jersey.
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08-24-2010 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevroc
Further x2, this thread needs some Kristy.
I read this entire thread. I want to be very clear that I did so entirely for you, and with the hope of being compensated in a flurry of kevroc-nudes.

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk419
It seems to me that women are willing to have as much sex as possible but are content with one man. Men are wired to want to bang everything that moves...
I believe that this is false and that women want other men just as much as men want other women. (LOLHeteroAssumptionaments) but like you say:

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk419
its all just human nature, doesnt mean you can't control it.
Just don't mistake differing pressures and norms for sexes with hard-wiring.


I'm old-school. I believe in the permanence and importance of marriage, where there is no abuse. I'm sick of all this drama-divorce talk of "sparks going out" and "growing apart". This MTV-free2Bme sense of entitlement to a Disney Idealism meets Passion meets Porn relationship sickens me.

Marriage is about home and all the quiet love and comfort that will never be glamorous. Its beauty is in its consistency. It functions on a currency of hard work and logical self-sacrifice to an end that is bigger than one's whims, or finances. Having children is just one of those ends and (ignoring outliers or the very young who think they are outliers right now but will spawn at 30) non-disposable marriage is good for both your souls as well as your longevity, happiness and the contribution you can reasonably make to your community and extended family. It has an amazing worth constantly under-valued in the tiresome whining of the entitled and arrogant.

Which brings me to my tangent rant: FFFUUUUU feminists. I resent no longer having the choice to stay at home and make my contribution to my circle via children, excellent dinners, hugs and a strict adherence to the concept that "a penny saved is a penny earned" and those roles that I might fill with effort/skill, rather than a 2nd income, that no longer hold value.

I get where you started out, but replacing one certainty (homemaking) with another (career) makes me just as much a prisoner. Your own desire for the shiny and new challenge of the workplace has left us with inferior children in a morally decaying society of people I can't respect. The potential for my freedom was not worth the gamble you took.

GG on the sexual liberation though..in the days of contraception.. sex has nothing to do with love.
Fin
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08-24-2010 , 02:38 PM
Being married sucks point blank.
I love my wife but hate being married.
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08-24-2010 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nuisance
Being married sucks point blank.
I love my wife but hate being married.
This poast is useless without a "Why".
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08-24-2010 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristy
I read this entire thread. I want to be very clear that I did so entirely for you, and with the hope of being compensated in a flurry of kevroc-nudes.



I believe that this is false and that women want other men just as much as men want other women. (LOLHeteroAssumptionaments) but like you say:



Just don't mistake differing pressures and norms for sexes with hard-wiring.


I'm old-school. I believe in the permanence and importance of marriage, where there is no abuse. I'm sick of all this drama-divorce talk of "sparks going out" and "growing apart". This MTV-free2Bme sense of entitlement to a Disney Idealism meets Passion meets Porn relationship sickens me.

Marriage is about home and all the quiet love and comfort that will never be glamorous. Its beauty is in its consistency. It functions on a currency of hard work and logical self-sacrifice to an end that is bigger than one's whims, or finances. Having children is just one of those ends and (ignoring outliers or the very young who think they are outliers right now but will spawn at 30) non-disposable marriage is good for both your souls as well as your longevity, happiness and the contribution you can reasonably make to your community and extended family. It has an amazing worth constantly under-valued in the tiresome whining of the entitled and arrogant.

Which brings me to my tangent rant: FFFUUUUU feminists. I resent no longer having the choice to stay at home and make my contribution to my circle via children, excellent dinners, hugs and a strict adherence to the concept that "a penny saved is a penny earned" and those roles that I might fill with effort/skill, rather than a 2nd income, that no longer hold value.

I get where you started out, but replacing one certainty (homemaking) with another (career) makes me just as much a prisoner. Your own desire for the shiny and new challenge of the workplace has left us with inferior children in a morally decaying society of people I can't respect. The potential for my freedom was not worth the gamble you took.

GG on the sexual liberation though..in the days of contraception.. sex has nothing to do with love.
Fin
2 thumbs up Kristy, best post itt. kudos.
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08-24-2010 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Da33le
Marriage is a religious thing imo.
Explain all those billions of couples who have only a civil marriage.
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08-24-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristy
I read this entire thread. I want to be very clear that I did so entirely for you, and with the hope of being compensated in a flurry of kevroc-nudes.



I believe that this is false and that women want other men just as much as men want other women. (LOLHeteroAssumptionaments) but like you say:



Just don't mistake differing pressures and norms for sexes with hard-wiring.


I'm old-school. I believe in the permanence and importance of a committed relationship, where there is no abuse. I'm sick of all this drama-divorce talk of "sparks going out" and "growing apart". This MTV-free2Bme sense of entitlement to a Disney Idealism meets Passion meets Porn relationship sickens me.

Commitment is about home and all the quiet love and comfort that will never be glamorous. Its beauty is in its consistency. It functions on a currency of hard work and logical self-sacrifice to an end that is bigger than one's whims, or finances. Having children is just one of those ends and (ignoring outliers or the very young who think they are outliers right now but will spawn at 30) non-disposable partnership is good for both your souls as well as your longevity, happiness and the contribution you can reasonably make to your community and extended family. It has an amazing worth constantly under-valued in the tiresome whining of the entitled and arrogant.

Which brings me to my tangent rant: FFFUUUUU feminists. I resent no longer having the choice to stay at home and make my contribution to my circle via children, excellent dinners, hugs and a strict adherence to the concept that "a penny saved is a penny earned" and those roles that I might fill with effort/skill, rather than a 2nd income, that no longer hold value.

I get where you started out, but replacing one certainty (homemaking) with another (career) makes me just as much a prisoner. Your own desire for the shiny and new challenge of the workplace has left us with inferior children in a morally decaying society of people I can't respect. The potential for my freedom was not worth the gamble you took.

GG on the sexual liberation though..in the days of contraception.. sex has nothing to do with love.
Fin


Kristy -- I enjoy and value precisely that type of persistent, stable relationship which you have described so nicely. That said, I would love for you to please read the ever-so-slight modification of your post, as I have quoted it above, and comment on what's missing and why it's important.
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08-24-2010 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Glo4ming
2 thumbs up Kristy, best post itt. kudos.
Ty

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Originally Posted by JustCuz
Kristy -- I enjoy and value precisely that type of persistent, stable relationship which you have described so nicely. That said, I would love for you to please read the ever-so-slight modification of your post, as I have quoted it above, and comment on what's missing and why it's important.
Not enough hookers and blow? No wait...Needs moar cowbell, amirite?

Last edited by Kristy; 08-24-2010 at 04:13 PM. Reason: What do you think is missing JC?
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08-24-2010 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Snoopydance
My argument is that marriage doesn't miraculously change women.
Yes it does.
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08-24-2010 , 05:28 PM
The only thing I have against homemaking as a career is that it can leave you high and dry, completely without marketable skills, if the relationship breaks up -- and relationships break up all the time. It's at least, IMO, as reasonable to expect a relationship to break up as not. In that case, you need a fallback so you can take care of yourself. "Taking care of my kids" skills are not it.

I'd be very nervous if I had a daughter and she believed in everlasting, true, and early love. I'd worry that if she married young and then:

1. ... got dumped or did the dumping -- for whatever reason, it doesn't matter -- and she had to take care of not only herself but some kids, she'd be in a world of trouble and her kids would have a much rougher time than their peers in what I consider a world with drastically diminishing opportunities for the middle class and a chasm opening up for anyone just a little below that.

or

2. ... did the opposite if things didn't pan out. Stayed with a guy she did not love or even like and/or who did not love and respect her and/or her kids because otherwise she and/or her kids might face severe economic repercussions. I'm sure many women make that hard choice to stay in bad relationships.

And it's the kind that becomes ever harder to get out of. You get used to a certain lifestyle. You get used to certain expectations for your kids. You become ever more irrelevant to the job market in terms of skills, while aging goes from somebody else's concern to the reason you get passed over for dozens of jobs.

Homemaking is a very dangerous job, IMO. It's definitely for the gambler in you. Until they change the laws so you can sell off your kids for a hefty profit, it's a very high-risk venture with a sketchy safety net. Unless you marry some rich guy or have your own inherited money. Then your whole economic life is a safety net and you might as well do what you want.
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08-24-2010 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Blarg
high and dry
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Originally Posted by Conspire

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08-24-2010 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikess2001
Yes it does.
No. It doesn't.
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08-24-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristy
Not enough hookers and blow? No wait...Needs moar cowbell, amirite?

Pfft...ldo x2.

Last edited by JustCuz; 08-24-2010 at 07:43 PM. Reason: The difference between a marriage and any other committed relationship is law, which should have no place in my relationship.
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08-24-2010 , 08:03 PM
How about we say what this thread is really about?

If you'd really think that it makes no difference whether or not you get married, then there would be no thread.

You lose your out, and you don't like that. You need the feeling that you can leave at any time.

But don't worry. The fact that you want that exit does not mean that you don't really love your girl. It just means that you are a wuss.

Man up.
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08-24-2010 , 08:26 PM
Kind of an odd definition of wusshood.

Do you feel the same way about prenuptial agreements?
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08-24-2010 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Blarg
Kind of an odd definition of wusshood.

Do you feel the same way about prenuptial agreements?
prenuptial agreements are a good thing - money and love have no common basis
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08-24-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Snoopydance
No. It doesn't.
How 'bout this...

Marriage doesn't, but planning the wedding on the other hand...
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08-25-2010 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BartJ385
How about we say what this thread is really about?

If you'd really think that it makes no difference whether or not you get married, then there would be no thread.
It definitely makes a difference! Once you're married, your tax situation changes, you gain rights, your property ownership disposition is altered from then on, etc. No one said that there is no difference.

Here's my problem: Am unmarried couple who have been together, supporting one another, in a committed relationship for 25 years do not have the same rights and status under the law as a couple who have been married for 5 minutes.

It has nothing to do with a couple's willingness or desire to be and stay together. It has to do with the government's power to regulate the terms of my relationship.

Question: Should the government have the power to regulate the terms of my relationship?

I say no...the state never should have become involved in marriage in the first place.
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