Science has already disproved half of the bible. It is only a matter of time before it disproves the rest. ppl of faith keep dodging science with statements like "I don't take the bible literally".

You cannot ignore the fact that the bible was written by men who were afraid of everything. If they could not explain it they feared it, so they wrote a book that not only explained everything it also gave those in power a way to control their ppl.

Dinosaurs were left out of the bible because the men who wrote about it knew nothing of them. Surely, if god had anything to do with the bible he would have mentioned an animal that ruled the earth for millions of years.

I don't see why god would mention Dinosaurs, but okay.

+1

If you opt out of the Old Testament option when ordering your SuperSized Religion from McJesus, that's fine... but God still allowed Satan to challenge Jesus in the New Testament.

To boot, God *IS* Jesus and Jesus is God. The benevolent lamb sent to Earth as our savior did not refute himself and his previous teachings.

What I will give you credit for is not quoting scripture to "prove" religion, but passages you enjoy and that better your life. I can respect that.

But to deny the parts of your own Religion you are most uncomfortable with is more blasphemous than being an atheist imo. Whether you like it or not you are a Jack Christian.

They would have been one of his greatest, longest lasting creations. They don't even get a mention?

wasnt Jesus only in the new testament?

(never really read the bible i just thought that was the case through history classes etc)

Yes. For clarity's sake, the story of Job and Satan pwning him is Old Testament. The story of Satan trying to pwn Jesus is obviously New Testament (and God allowed it)... so by not opting to "believe" in the Old Testament you aren't disproving that God does some ****ed up stuff sometimes.

gotcha, ty

The father the son and the holy spirit is a Catholic thing.

Yes god allowed the devil to test Jesus as god allows the devil to test us, life is a bitch.

I am not denying parts of my own religion, I don't know how many time I have to explain this. I am not Catholic, Baptist, ect. I believe in Christ.

I am not quoting scripture to prove religion because religion can't be proved. I am simply saying that I believe in Jesus.

I don't feel I am being blasphemous. Other Christians might, and they would be wrong for it.

I'm not here to cry blaspheme, or to sentence anyone to eternal damnation. I have no problem with atheists and I have no interest in converting anyone.

I will admit to finding the term McJesus a bit offensive =)

I admit to finding the term McJesus delicious.

Like I said you sound like a reasonable person and I respect that you use some pretty solid Bible passages to live your life. I can agree that all you need is love, I just don't need a book of fables telling me so.

Picking and choosing your Religion is absolutely McJesus-ing it so forgive me if I don't apologize to a Christian who does not believe in Hell. It's a package deal. You don't get the Heaven without the Hell... you don't get New Testament God without Old Testament God.

I will admit my ignorance, although I'm reasonably confident, concerning the Holy Trinity as a universal Christian belief although it has varying levels of importance... I'm OK being wrong if I am.

I "understand" the differences between Christian cults. Understand is in quotes suggesting that I understand it as best as a sane person can, because the politics/history behind the Christian factions is overwhelming to say the least and I wouldn't be surprised if there's over a hundred different factions.

Not that I believe any of it anyway, but at least get your Christian mythology right.

The Holy Trinity and the divinity of Jesus is the central tenant of Christianity. If you don't believe in this you can't rightly call yourself a Christian.

My fav president, Thomas Jefferson, didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus but apparently dug his style and rewrote the New Testement calling it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, getting rid of all of the magic powers and eternal damnation stuff.

The Holy Trinity is confusing. If you read the bible especially the Jesus parts it's clear that He and God are not one and the same. I remember having a conversation with a Jewish Minister on an amtrak train about this very same thing. He was convinced that the Angel Michael and Jesus were one and the same. As the bible does reference that Jesus was first and was with god since the very begging. I've also hear many other many theories about who and what the holy trinity all means, I've read all about it and it doesn't make a lot of sense of to me. Jesus being God and God being Jesus causes all sorts of confusion especially during the second viewing of the bible.

If Jesus is god then why?
If god is Jesus then why?
Wtf is the holy spirit?

I personally don't believe that Jesus was god himself, but I do believe that Jesus was the son of God making him a god himself. I'll admit I'm not really sure. The trinity is a mainstay in most Christian religions, but not all of them.

The only difference between a cult and a religion are the number of members it has.


I don't believe you have the right to tell me that I am not a Christian. Maybe I'm wrong.

I used to call myself an atheist, then I realized that was absolutely ******ed because it means you're ardently rejecting the existence of god when you have no proof either way. So I realized being agnostic is much better. Don't know, don't really care.

In the face of your gross misunderstanding of your own Religion I can and will comfortably say that you are not a Christian.

In fact, believing in Polytheism (which you just stated by saying that Jesus wasn't God but a god = 2 gods) is blasphemy and a one-way ticket to the Hell you don't believe in anyway.

Just live your life man... you like those passages, and I'll admit they are awesome guidelines on how to live your life. Just don't defer to some mystical magical all-powerful being to tell you how to do it.

If there is one thing that I am certain of about death, it's that whatever happens to you happens to me. Our mortal beliefs have nothing to do with what happens on the other side.

I misspoke because like I said the trinity is a confusing concept. God is god, Jesus isn't god, but he is, There are not two gods there are one. Jesus and God are not the same, but they are the same.

I agree with you that our mortal beliefs have nothing to do with what happens on the other side, but they have everything to do with what happens here. Being a "Christian" makes me happy and so I'm that is why I am a Christian.

I've talked with life long minsters who are still can't explain everything the bible has to say, so I'm not going to sweat it. I'm not going to hell for misunderstanding something.

You can comfortable call me what ever you like, I know what I am and Jesus knows what I am that's all that really matters.

I can't argue with a sense of needing to belong.

Yes, you are. In fact, the Bible states this explicitly. If you are one of the unfortunate billions who "misunderstand" Christianity in that they are non-Christian you are going to Hell. You guys just love to forget about the little things that make you uncomfortable with your own Religion.

And lol at your gimmick messup there.

The bible never really mentions hell.

I JUST BLEW YOUR MIND!

My ex-g/f would pick and choose which parts of Christianity she would observe too. She was fairly religious only we ****ed quite a bit and didn't think it was a sin. It sort of tilted me.

I'm guessing you did the right thing and kept your mouth shut =P

p.s. Anal is fine for these types of girls btw... just nothing into the vag

Yes there are some Christians that would tell me I would go to hell.

I understand the problem you have with these people, they are *******s who use there faith as a way to lift themselves up by way of putting other people die.

These people also shoot up abortion clinics, lynch black people, and perform gross acts of genocide.

Religion is a great thing, but it can also be a terrible thing. Lines get blurry and people get confused.

Just take my word that I am not one of those people, and their thoughts on my very don't really concern me. I know you don't believe I'm going to hell because you don't believe in hell either, and I understand you're trying to shed some light on the darkness that is religious zealots. Believe me when I tell you that they make me sick, they are the reason why I am receiving so much hostility in the forum.

Maybe you're right maybe I am not a Christian, but I do believe in Jesus and I do believe in God and I have read and have a pretty solid understanding of the bible.

The bible said Jesus died so that we all my live. It doesn't exclude anyone in the statement. There are no conditions for the love and forgiveness of Jesus, we all receive.

I try to make my love as unconditional as possible as well. Believe me when I tell you that I do love you, and that I do find your posts to challenging and important. I am glad that there are people with a difference of opinion as it causes me to analyze my opinions more than I would normally.

Jesus didn't say who is going to hell. he said judgement rests with God. Only God is allowed to make the judgement of who goes where.

I'm glad you don't like the zealots either. Like I said you seem like a good person.

However, there is one condition for Jesus' love and forgiveness and that's that you accept him into your heart. If not, you're ****ed.

The bible does recommend waiting until marriage, and sometime I wish I had taken that advice.

I think you are being to hard on your girlfriend. Everyone sin and therefor falls short of the glory of god. It's unfair to expect a Christian to be perfect because they are a Christian, and on the side of the argument it TILTS me to no end when a persona acts like they are perfect because they are a Christian.

There are two types of people in this world

sinners who think they are righteous

and the righteous who think that they are sinners.