I see what your getting at, but to be honest I see a big difference between hard drugs like heroin/cocaine etc, and things like LSD, DMT etc..

Do I think a good trip could change his views, almost for sure, If it would change them for the better or worse is completely up to the person himself, Like it or lump it, People alot smarter then me or you , also believe it could do alot more good then bad if used and shared in the right way could do alot of good.

Its not so crazy to think that things that open you up to a different view point could or would change your view on it.

Secondly, Im not saying that we should experiment with all drugs, certain ones have the potential to do good, at least in the realm of thought and feelings. Which in turn could change things on a deeper level, a more concrete one.

The stop taking drugs before having a child, is just gold advice and wouldnt fault you in the slightest for that view point. Just dont shut down all drugs and all experiences as negative, Theres positive , negative and everything in between.

Also dont forget that drugs are part of everyday life, some are just more accepted then others, Two of the most common have horrific health implications,. Coffee and Alcohol, the latter being involved in 60% of muders, even more of car crashes, broken homes etc.. Yet thats perfectly acceptable because , ?
Everyone says so?
Easily taxed and controlled?
I personally dont know, I just feel like its a little unevenly talked about and experimented with,

Out of billions we spent on tabocco most of it was spent trying to prove it wasnt bad for us.

Same with weed, millions spent on trying to prove it is bad for us. etc etc...

I understand your point, I just have a different point of view

I think there is very little to no glamour in the world of seriously addicted users, Once you get that far its very hard to see any beauty to it,. Maybe as a life long and deathly love affair, but other then that its pretty rough,

Before it gets that far, theres the inbewteen time, your smoking and ****ing etc, holding eachother in a opium haze of nothingness. , I can see and understand why alot of people can see romantic idea's involved with something so destructive, but in the long run, its pretty rough for the hard addicted, (heavy needle users and such) know one or two that are together since there 12, addiced for nearly ever and still together (50+ years) there rare though, as in thats 1 couple I know that are together that long, longest after is 20 plus years.

as far as personality goes, it really knows no bias. Met total scumbags and nurses, etc.. But there seems to be alot of addicts with quirks, eg drawing, writing , building things, but dont know if thats anything to do with the drug itself,

But I really cant explain how it takes in anyone that lets it get that far, Anyone any level of society.

Theres just so many famous writers/poets/singers etc that were opiate addicts that it seems to lead others of the same inclination to go the same route, IMO as they say here

Is this a level? 20$ a day isn't a junkie, the withdrawals from methadone are going to be worse than your weak ass habit. Kick the **** before it becomes a real problem.

Strange as it may sound to you, Super happy with 20 a day, and thats when I do, Ive been practicing self control, and better methods awhile now,.

A habit is a habit though,. Ive noticed that aswell

Update: 2017

So here I am again, visiting a thread I promised to visit years later to find out how it all went, it went up and down but over my sample size in life I consider myself for sure +EV (below some of the reasons why)

I'm now 31 years old with a beautiful baby girl of a year with another on the way come October. pic related:
http://imgur.com/a/QCOAd
nearly married to a different girl.

I'm clean, and not I smoke once a week clean, or take 30mg of Methadone clean. I'm clean clean!, take the odd Valium in the evening sometimes after shes in bed, with a joint (or two)

It was hell, it was and is life , good and bad.

Since I last posted to this thread life has dealt me the following hands

A nasty breakup with the ex, involving police and court date (caught her with someone) that I beat, well twice. Him and the court date

To find what I can only call my soul mate and bestfriend, who with I lost child premature (1 day before an incubator could be used) Liam was his name. That was horrific, if anyone is interested just ask away

Another beautiful child this time healthy and amazingly perfect, my reason to live and live right along with her beautiful mother. and another on the way (also ask away)

Met my Fiance strange enough on the last day I was in Ireland after looking after my mother who had been wrecked with Cancer and fought and won the orginial battles (still fights on)., and on my last day there I met my future.

Weird how bad things can lead to some of the best

So its another Ask me anything thread,

Oh,

and Poker wise, still play, still winning, still studying.


Im just glad that my words became deeds, if you read the thread you know what I mean. and I that I can see the naive parts of my orginal posts.

http://imgur.com/a/QCOAd her

http://imgur.com/XABvuyk me and her when she was little still


since the photo didnt work in the last post. Here it is

Cool kid

According to Mr.mmmKay Drugs are bad...

Thanks,


When I read all the stuff that I wrote all those years ago, I can see how close I was to never getting the beaut, or meeting my future wife,...

Someone had mentioned that Id end up dead, prison and would never crawl out of the addiction so great feeling to share her smile here.

Thanks,

and even in the addicted days I saw the good in everything

What are the odds that your use of marijuana/benzodiazepines causing a return to harder drug use?

Also, how long has it been since you've taken an opiate?

Have you ever shot heroin into your dick?

Crazy as it sounds, I find that alcohol makes me get a feeling of wanting more than anything else, Stress can be a ***** if its high enough,
Lost a son when he was 5 months in the womb, borderline 6 months, watched him die in front of me,

The whole heart monitor beeping beeping , beping bein, be, --------------

Horrible, but was able to avoid using then (partly due to my wife needing me and I wasnt going to leave her to deal with that **** on her own)

Its been at least 5 years since any opiate, and the opiate at the time of 100mg codiene.

No but I have known people who had to go into their grine, Use big lone blue needles to be able to get to the artery or vein,.

****ing nasty.

As long as you stay off the junk I guess it really doesn't matter what you do. Alcohol is the worst when you're trying to stay away from the real drugs, so I totally understand what you're saying.

Keep it up OP. GLGL

Thank you,. and good luck to you aswell,. Don't know what it is about getting drunk, but that just ****s my will power right up, well not so much will power, more dont care enough/avoid the hangover.

So just avoid it altogether,

So hows poker changed since I was gone?

A couple of things:

It's beyond absurd to lump all drugs together, i.e., "drugs are bad!". Of course what most people like allinontheturn really mean to say is "all illegal drugs are bad" which is nearly as absurd, and extremely hypocritical, as very often they say this with a drink or cigarette in hand. Alcohol and cigarettes cause FAR MORE deaths & overall negative costs to society than all other illegal drugs combined, AIAEC.

If you are not educated or open-minded enough to realize that taking certain drugs (natural & synthetic) like LSD, mushrooms, ayahuasca , etc. can be a meditative/enlightening/spiritual experience, you're either incredibly ignorant and/or naive, or simply so close-minded that there's no use in discussing the issue further with you.

I'm not suggesting that everyone should do psychedelics, that "bad trips" don't exist, or that for some people ingesting psychedelics has been a net-negative. But to say that there is zero benefit to psychedelics for anyone is ignorant. Do yourself a favor and spend five minutes researching what recent research studies suggest about the positive effect of mushrooms/MDMA on people in psychotherapy.

And yes, if Pooter has never done psychedelics, if he would do so in a safe setting with spiritual/meditative intent, his understanding/opinion/outlook on himself and others would almost certainly be changed, most likely for the better.

OP: Congrats on kicking!! You've been clean for five years?? Major accomplishment, you should be very proud of yourself. Couple of questions:

How long have you been 100% off China/Persian?

Why & how did you quit? Did you have to hit your personal low, get arrested, or was it related to meeting your soul mate &/or having a kid?

Did you have to cut yourself off from all friends & contacts how still use?

What do you do (if anything) to proactively stay sober? Meetings, mentor or ??

Presumably the longer you've been clean somewhat the easier it gets to stay clean, or is it truly a "one day at a time" kind of a thing for you?

Hope you'll stick w/ weed & the occasional psychedelic and steer clear of alcohol and legal opioids/barbiturates; in my observations, those are the things that people flirt with that most often leads to using again.

Good luck OP!

This a thousand times !

Luckily enough is hasnt been Im an addict for ever in recovery, I mean memories come up that involved using that werent all bad, for instance if it felt like chopping an arm off no one would be addicted (i think :P ) people amaze me.

The first year I was proactive with doing things to stay fit, libido came back with a bang so that helped.

The biggest change though was my mother becoming ill with Cancer and via vi meeting my fiance on the last day home caring for her, it was almost cosmic if you will lol.

we called it universal ripples, so many things just screamed soul mate from one encounter, . two week stay, then she was over to live, the rest is so far been good history and look forward to a bright future (fingers crossed)

Im even upbeat while on a 12 Buyin EV swing lol... if that doesnt make me crave the powder nothing will :P

I was getting Persian/Afghan brick here.


Yeah the benzo's are dangerous, but I actually use them for medical things too, not just a high,. I sleep bad from the things that went on in life, so I pop a pill no and again to knock out, but I agree with you 100% a trip a day, would be better than any barbituate or benzo!

Thanks for the interest

I did do a major clean out of who is allowed near my family, nothing against the still addicted, just not around my daughter. So that was tough enough, because some people end up depending on you if you have ur **** together even for the addicted world.

Do you think if someone were to smoke enough weed they could face an addiction similar to opiates?

In all honesty , Id like to say no, but the science is showing more and more people being brought in for Weed addiction. Now remember I'm living in Holland which can increase the chance that they are just admitting people because its the most widely used drugs here so means more bucks for the clinics.

but as an avid weed/hash smoker, lets just call it a THC fanatic, I do notice if I don't have a joint in the morning I can be more cranky/pissy than when I have my morning joint and coffee,

but if you ever experienced the unnatural drive that Opiates put you in when you need them, its a complete different ball park, I've known men and women who sucked dick "straight men" by the way ? (still confuses me) to get a fix when that sick.

tldr,

No, Weed is mentally addictive for sure, physically after you smoke years and end up with a bad mood because you aint got it.

I've heard they seperate weed addicts from the rest since it pisses hard core addicts off to hear some 20 year old talking about weed addiction after them losing houses, lovers, childern and dignity over their DOC,


So its a yes and no, with a big lean towards NO WAY is it the same, (mentally would be the closest to eachother)