good post 7OAD

Lex played poker at the highest level for a long time, Tonka has been a pro for quite a few years and it's not a comparison with them, it's a comparison within the population that regularly plays $100 ABIs+. It's the same way we can admit that Ryan Reaves (4th line forward on the Las Vegas Golden Knights aka lowest line) is an elite Hockey player, not to the standard of Ovechkin, Crosby or McDavid but relative to 99.9% of even the Hockey playing population (never mind that he's in the .00001% of the world population in terms of Hockey skill). Lex and Tonka from pure money making stand point would likely be in the top 5-10% of incomes in their countries just through their poker wins (not their contracts and other stuff), thus they do indeed have "a clue" what is going on, at least more than the competition in that regard.

Tonka and Lex both beat high stakes which is technically more than can be said about the clustering of regs-semi regs who play those stakes (by virtue of someone needing to lose), thus they are in the .01% of the poker playing population and beating high stakes likely puts em in the top 10% of even the high stakes field depending on what your definition of the field is.

Honestly, they are both a realistic representation of slightly above average intelligence and slightly above average work ethic and what can be accomplished hence why they act as a great example to contrast against Lena. Although maybe he does make mistakes here and there, I doubt they are the same level of severity as the mistakes in question when discussing Tonka and Lex (who again I need to reiterate BEAT $100+ ABI).

I would love to see an ELO style poker rating system (although Stars would never have it for obvious reasons of discouraging gambling), but my guess is that the best in the world would cluster together without much difference, likely taking millions of hands played between them to truly decipher who is better and even then it would be questionable. My guess is that the average in the games they play would be a good deal lower with some people that have NO business being there, but they just love to gamble (you can see them in streams every day making awful moves).

And I think that's something that also needs to be said, in other competitions, you would NEVER see Joe Blow who runs a 15 second 100m facing off v Bolt, however in poker you do and exploiting these people is key, a sub skill beyond theory, GTO, ICM and having good ranges/cb/xb/xr structures that can pay just as much if not more than them.

I think in general we would be surprised at how many people that play "high stakes" relatively regularly and even with some success that really don't think much about poker and are purely running off of momentum and what they've accomplished in the past.

7OAD weren't you bragging about beating a $30+ abi in the other thread then people looked you up to see you are a $5 abi player?

Seems you are one of those annoying people who spam twitch chats with backseat gameplay saying you know a better player than the streamer when in reality the streamer is probably much better at high stakes, and high stakes mtts are harder than $5 abis.


I think if any low stakes grinder was gifted $500k to go hop in high stakes online mtts for 2 years 99% of them would end up losing a lot of money. There is a massive skill gap

Did they? I guess moving up is superseded by old games because having 100s of games at lower stakes invalidating your current play.

http://playerscope.com/zeewhyzeezee/pokerstars

Sort by $25-59.

Don't watch streamers apart from highlights, but you can think whatever you like, you can go look up my 888 profile, sort by MTTs, $7-25 and see I was beating those games and that was with just watching a few Doug Polk videos and having very little clue about anything.

I disagree, unless they have low IQ, are complete tilt monkeys or are completely lazy, you could take 50k right off the bat on training and be in a good spot to succeed provided you can follow instructions well. Poker is a relatively static game with similar positions coming time and time again, this isn't quantum physics where you need 160 IQ to function, Tonka and Lex relative to the poker playing population crush the game, do they strike you as brilliant people or just above average individuals who can put in work when need be?

great **** this is what 2p2 is all about


how much for coaching?

I do think though people overestimate the skill difference between topregs (which is based on results mainly) and the solid regs. I think for every crusher, there are x amount of other very good players who haven’t been so lucky in keypots who might be equally as good but aren’t considered topregs necesirally. Just toying around with the variance calculators will give you a great insight. I’d argue that lots of those ‘considered’ topregs have an ROI which is way above their actual one at the stakes they play for example. The beautiful thing is tho we might never know.

Combination of rungood and being willing to flick it in vs all those scared money nits who should unreg pre.

Maybe I don't have an IQ of 160, but in Sharkscope I see that you have 1328 games under your belt with a ABI of $6.58. In the site your provided a link for, it shows you as having an ABI of $5 in 1307 games. Maybe you recently moved up, but again the same site shows you as having played a grand total of 597 games in 2018 with an ABI of $8.

All in all you seem to have very strong opinions for a guy with such a low number of games. Some would call it the arrogance of youth, although in your case it's more likely the arrogance of the newb.

Organize by buyin (7-24) and multi table tournaments, obviously I didn't start there.

Again, organize by buyin specifically 25-59, I recently move up, obviously if you have a sample of 600+ games of $3-4 ABI, it won't make much diff to what shows overall.

I think what I said is completely straight forward and most of it is parroting what I've learned from Bencb who is just as thread worthy as Lena apart from him not wanting to grind every day. Whether or not I am a noob or arrogant has nothing to do with vlimper raising sizes, 3b ranges at different stack depths, shoving ranges, bounty hunting or holistic ICM overviews.

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It's the same dude who said it's hard to severely downswing(TENS of buy-ins) with a 10bb/100 winrate.

I mean, I was once a young buck as well, triple barreling with my forum posting all day. And I don't really mind any #hottakes, it's just that I can guarantee you will look back at some of the things you said and feel kinda embarrassed after you gain more experience. Kappa Kappa

Haha loving the absolute strawmen on here, I said it is difficult to severely downswing and then you add the (TENS of buy-ins) when literally in the same post I said I dropped 40 buyins, almost like you're putting words in my mouth. Instead of using basic logic and realizing that the term downswing already applies to losing buyins, what do you think adding severe means? Is there ever lukewarm severity in real life? If 40 BIs isn't a severe downswing which is what is inferred in that post, hence their inclusion, then perhaps you should stop and think and realize that I'm obviously talking about way more.

I think the only person who will feel embarrassed is someone strawmans people and who tries to ad hom them like some of the losers ITT bringing up my things which had nothing to do with what I originally posted and which is yet to be refuted because there is nothing wrong with what I said.

The premise of your post that it's very hard for people to do on severe downswings while being a 10+bb/100 winner in MTTs while prioritizing higher guarantee fields is incorrect, as I suspect each and every one of these players would attest to. I am talking about people with more than 50k hands under their belt.

It's you that's committing logical fallacies here as you are drawing a false equivalency between the elite players of the world and twitch streamers. There is nothing to refute since you haven't replied to the original question and I suspect you wouldn't have that much of a clue anyway, I know I don't.

Yeah.....so ...erm......why is lena so good again?

A+ thread will come back later

I think it's because he has been watching quite a lot of Lex and Tonkaaaa's streams.

TBH my heart goes out to lex, hes such a lovable person, hes a sliver haired fox, I have no doubt in my mind hes going to crush so f.cking hard in a year or two. I like tonkaaa to, that kid just never gets the flips at the most important times, but he will, IT WILL COME TONKAAA, THIS YEAR!!!!! This crazy game we play, just sit back and realize how lucky we are to even be able to be given the possibility x

He is good because he had more luck than the other crushers. The next mtt series WCOOP we will have another MTT crusher that has more luck than the others and we will make a new thread "why ..... so good?"

You go girl

yep subbed.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who dont.

70AD if you put as much effort into poker as you do arguing in this thread you'll probably be more of a crusher then Lena.

Again, never said that, but keep lying. How sad do you have to be to want me to be so wrong, you've now TWICE attributed things to me that I did not say? Or do you actually think I'm so dull that 1.You can lie about what I said and I won't notice 2.I actually think that playing in 2k+ fields will be the exact same as playing in 200 person fields?

Wrong, you just want me to be wrong so bad (see above) that you try and use cheapo arguments against me. Since when is a $200+ ABI and Lex's $125+ ABI (from what I recall when his playerscope was available) not elite? It's only not elite if you say that being elite is being elite within the best 50 players in the world aka top 5-10 of them. It's 1000% elite relative to the general poker population and completely elite even relative to high stakes population since they beat those stakes.

Furthermore, Tonka played nearly $300 ABI last year and Lex has played in the highest stake cash games in the world, they are totally valid comparisons as they are used to show people who regularly play in the same stakes as Lena, Darwin, Limitless, OTB, BenCB etc, but also people that make way bigger mistakes that are EASILY noticeable than the names I just mentioned.

Or some of us that are 100 WPM like going back and forth with people, besides I didn't bring up anything apart from an answer to the question, other people attacked me.

Here's another thing you can notice from streamers that are "elite" relative to the general population and the sort of massive mistakes they can make.

Stapless, although not a high stakes crusher does very well at the mid stakes, if you remove his $100+ buyins which I doubt he has much of beyond 10-20%, he crushes the mid stakes.

The other day he was in SB w AKs v a UTG raise and he said there was no 3b range there because of how deep they were (110ish bb), this is just wrong and contrary to what RYE (who he is supposed to be working with) teaches.

It's not so much that he's making some massive mistake, but it goes to show you that he like Lex and Tonka are all coasting in certain regards and really not putting in the work. Someone like Lena and the very upper elite know their ranges by heart or if they don't, they have them open to look at, although I bet that most of them would likely spend hours learning them perfectly just by looking at them regularly and focusing on them giving themselves tests.

The mindset there is a difference, where some it's "good enough," a lot of the really best in the world don't have that attitude and it's even worse because the guys I mentioned are SUPPOSED to know what to do in these spots and yet they're fine with not knowing, the best clearly are not. You can see this in Bencb's videos where he seldom gets into spots where he is perplexed, maybe annoyed or slightly confused sure, but never perplexed or not knowing at all.

I didn't read 95% of the responses because 95% of the people don't play HSMTTs. But to break down the reasons

1. Experience
2. Work Ethic/friends
3. Understanding of mathematics and game flow.
4. Specific work ( The swedes have put in work vs every population/group) The player pool in HSMTTs is very small (take party 530s for example or the 2600 on weekends). They've done the work vs the russians, team bitb and the other regs. Their strategies are constantly changing and different for each one.


GG Lena and c. Darwin .

Im dubious how you'd "know" any of this given you just recently moved up to low-midstakes.