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Old 02-22-2011, 04:27 AM   #476
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

This is a damn shame. Sorel is a poker prodigy and has phenomenal poker talent. There isnt many poker players with his understanding of the game. I just dont get it. He is throwing it all out the door. I dont see why a person with his abilities has to lower himself to do shady things when he clearly doesnt have to.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:38 AM   #477
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This is a damn shame. Sorel is a poker prodigy and has phenomenal poker talent. There isnt many poker players with his understanding of the game. I just dont get it. He is throwing it all out the door. I dont see why a person with his abilities has to lower himself to do shady things when he clearly doesnt have to.
Thing is, he can still play poker as much as he wants. He's killed his hotel room gambling action, but I'm sure he came out ahead in that lifetime. Scumbags gonna scum.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:40 AM   #478
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good interview, now get that interview with peachymer Marco!
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:44 AM   #479
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what I don't get is why Sorel would pay up for the sports bet if he beat John fair and square? If I beat you for a ton of money in chinese (legitimately) and you refuse to pay me, you better believe I'm not squaring up ****. Just seems really weird...
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:52 AM   #480
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King - you should consider learning who it is you're making comments about before randomly commenting.

I'm mediocre at poker.

Goggles? not so much.

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mbn to be mediocre at poker and capable of being 1/17 in the MM haha
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:04 AM   #481
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Excellent interview Marco. Should be interesting to watch the fallout of this one, Sorel is on the cover of the Bluff magazine that hangs in the Commerce snack shop. This may be the end of those days.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:08 AM   #482
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

Pretty good interview...on a side note...is it just me or Does Marco sound like an extranormal character from those videos people can make?

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Old 02-22-2011, 05:15 AM   #483
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Pretty good interview...on a side note...is it just me or Does Marco sound like an extranormal character from those videos people can make?

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I thought it was fake for a minute, lol.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:22 AM   #484
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Pretty good interview...on a side note...is it just me or Does Marco sound like an extranormal character from those videos people can make?

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lol i thought it was for a sec too. hahaha
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:29 AM   #485
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

solid interview and done in a timely manner that, to me, really gives it some legitimacy. bravo to marco for being a great impartial mediator, i wonder why he got into radio? hmf
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:31 AM   #486
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

ok its super shady if sorel paid JR for a sports debt AFTER this whole thing went down (and JR didn't pay for the chinese losses).
that seems like a pretty big admission of guilt.


edit: it seems pretty shady tho that JR accepted free % of sorel in MTT's in exchange for his silence for 4-8 weeks.

also, marco you have literally the best voice ever....i honestly thought it was a fake video for the first 30 secs.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:54 AM   #487
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John Racener comes off as very believable imo. Without his DUIing he would have a basically flawless reputation, it would be as Barry Greenstein allegedly getting cheated in this instance.
I am confident Sorel cheated and Sorel's explanation really isnt all that good.
Also highly doubt that JR accepted some kind of deal in exchange for his silence.
Also it doesnt even matter. We are probably never really going to know, its not like Sorel is gonna make a second post admitting to this whole debacle. However, he needs to accept being seen as guilty in this matter, regardless.
It is one of the punishments of having made several unethical actions throughout his whole poker career (?).
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:12 AM   #488
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good interview; looking forward to his post.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:26 AM   #489
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Pretty good interview...on a side note...is it just me or Does Marco sound like an extranormal character from those videos people can make?

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uncanny resemblance (although i only listened to the first 30sec to confirm this)
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:35 AM   #490
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lol where is Marco from? best interviewer ever.

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Old 02-22-2011, 07:08 AM   #491
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:12 AM   #492
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Pretty good interview...on a side note...is it just me or Does Marco sound like an extranormal character from those videos people can make?

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lol no it's definitely not just you, I got that too. Awesome interview tho. I'm not totally sold yet, but if he can produce any of these tons of alleged texts and phone messages that Sorel is sending him begging him not to say anything I might be.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:22 AM   #493
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

Good thing I didn't have to sign up for a free 7 day trial to watch the interview. Thanks. That was cool. Can't add much to what has already been said.

"I understand. I can imagine."
LOL at Extranormal voice LMAO

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Old 02-22-2011, 07:31 AM   #494
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great interview. hope sorel leaves for good...
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:17 AM   #495
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Is there a thread for this??

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Old 02-22-2011, 08:44 AM   #496
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

I have no thoughts on whether anyone was cheated but I thought there was a few interesting things in the interview....

Racener says he wasn't drinking but Sorel was trying to get him drunk? How does this happen? It sounded to me like he was drinking.

Racener also said that Sorel had been "beating his brains in for hours"? If Sorel was dealing off the bottom of the deck for hours and hours either Racener was drunk or not too bright.

The real issue to me isn't whether Racener was cheated. He has a much bigger problem, his destructive life style he is currently living. Sounds to me like someone with a serious drinking problem(obv with 3 DUIs) and a serious gambling problem.

I believe it was also mentioned that Racener lost several other bets he refused to pay to Sorel throughout the trip.

I don't know if Sorel really straight up cheated but he did take advantage of a drunk and/or a sucker with a serious drinking problem.

If I was Racener's friend I wouldn't be posting about how he got cheated. I'd be trying to get the guy some treatment to kick his addiction to gambling and drinking. This is not going to end very good at all.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:45 AM   #497
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Re: Sorel allegedly bottom dealing vs john racener

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Sorry to everyone for the slight delay, but I hope you'll enjoy.

If anyone is having problems listening to it in this format, we are working on getting it up on YouTube ASAP.

Listen to "JOHN RACENER SPEAKS"
OH SHIIIII sorel gonna sorel . Dayam . That is a bit incriminating imho . In b4 sorel plays another "I'm a victim" card .
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:55 AM   #498
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rofl is everybody levelling?!?!??!?!

All that interview did for me was think Sorel was innocent. Deleted your texts? orrrrrrightythen, as if you'd everrrr do that.

I'll not post my theory of what I think happened, but before interview I was like meh, Sorel's gonna Sorel, but after I was like wtf, **** Sorel's life as genuinely believe he is innocent.
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:07 AM   #499
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The real issue to me isn't whether Racener was cheated. He has a much bigger problem, his destructive life style he is currently living. Sounds to me like someone with a serious drinking problem(obv with 3 DUIs) and a serious gambling problem.

If I was Racener's friend I wouldn't be posting about how he got cheated. I'd be trying to get the guy some treatment to kick his addiction to gambling and drinking. This is not going to end very good at all.
If cheating is not the main issue to you then your in the wrong thread and an idiot. Stop pretending to be a clinical psychologist and just stop posting
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:19 AM   #500
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Should be feature on Sorel for the next Bluff- put it right next to all the UB ads
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