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02-22-2011 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Marco QJ
Just got off the phone with John himself, interview will be posted within the hour.
http://quadjacks.com/news.php?id=29

(insert popcorn eating photo here)


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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
sigh so much shadiness lately ;/
What do you mean by lately? Poker has centuries worth of shadiness, the boom just whitewashed the dirt because people want to assume that everyone is inherently good. Just because you cannot see the dirt does not mean the dirt doesn't exist, people in poker do shady stuff day in and day out and get away with it in broad daylight. Its never good to keep your head buried in the sand when your a poker player, keep your eyes open as wide as possible, there is danger around every corner my man!

Last edited by *TT*; 02-22-2011 at 02:43 AM.
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02-22-2011 , 02:43 AM
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02-22-2011 , 02:54 AM
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02-22-2011 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
http://quadjacks.com/news.php?id=29

(insert popcorn eating photo here)




What do you mean by lately? Poker has centuries worth of shadiness, the boom just whitewashed the dirt because people want to assume that everyone is inherently good. Just because you cannot see the dirt does not mean the dirt doesn't exist, people in poker do shady stuff day in and day out and get away with it in broad daylight. Its never good to keep your head buried in the sand when your a poker player, keep your eyes open as wide as possible, there is danger around every corner my man!
Come the flip on... I'm aware of the level of shade that exists daily.

I was just pointing out that the length/level of shadiness is greater as of late.
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02-22-2011 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Come the flip on... I'm aware of the level of shade that exists daily.

I was just pointing out that the length/level of shadiness is greater as of late.
i mean thats just simply not the case.
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02-22-2011 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBax
I have no info about what happened, so I am not going to comment, but wanted to address something:

Really don't know why anyone would bash Shaun for this or any of the other stuff he does. Seems he usually has the best interests of the community at heart. Well, except when he dresses as a woman lol. To use your lingo, I guess bashers gonna bash.

Bottom line, if you guys want to hear the latest, you probably shouldn't poke fun at the guy bringing it to you.

Bax
+1

deeb ftw
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02-22-2011 , 03:47 AM
literally crying
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02-22-2011 , 03:47 AM
"he didn't know what to say... he looked like a lil girl." lol
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02-22-2011 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Marco QJ
Sorry to everyone for the slight delay, but I hope you'll enjoy.

If anyone is having problems listening to it in this format, we are working on getting it up on YouTube ASAP.

Listen to "JOHN RACENER SPEAKS"

Not working for me, anyone else having issues?
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02-22-2011 , 03:50 AM
he said something about sorel calling him and texting him pleading/crying to him not to say anything.... but apparently he doesn't have the texts saved.
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02-22-2011 , 03:53 AM
works for me

would racener have to clear an interview like this with ftp for PR reasons?
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02-22-2011 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Marco QJ
Sorry to everyone for the slight delay, but I hope you'll enjoy.

If anyone is having problems listening to it in this format, we are working on getting it up on YouTube ASAP.

Listen to "JOHN RACENER SPEAKS"
nice job marco! was good!
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02-22-2011 , 03:54 AM
"he was trying to get you drunk?"
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02-22-2011 , 03:58 AM
thanks marco
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02-22-2011 , 04:02 AM
Wow!!!! VN interview Marco. wp sir
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02-22-2011 , 04:06 AM
Marco
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02-22-2011 , 04:08 AM
It worked fine, I'd never been on the site but John sounds VERRRRY believable here and it is very easy for John to get the text messages since it hasn't been 7 days he can make a request to his phone provider and easily post those messages where there will be no question whatsoever.
Also, it makes perfect sense with John not being a forum member that he'd have no reason not to trust Sorel. The only thing I can't imagine is since they were alone in the room that he wanted to get him out as since it was just them too I might have killed Sorel. The fact that Sorel begged John not to post this and promised percentages in mtt's & that he sounds so true is the nail in the coffin for me....
Now , that being said, nothing is going to happen to Sorel in the real world and he will continue to crush live but I can't see him ever getting an online deal.

Oh, and this is for John or anyone else playing for large sums of money, have somebody deal for you whenever you are playing, never deal the cards yourselves!
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02-22-2011 , 04:08 AM
Marco delivers! wp sir
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02-22-2011 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Imper1um
Maybe its time for me to consider a new career because respect from peers in industry is very important and I clearly have very little.



Do everyone a favor and get the **** out. Thanks.
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02-22-2011 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
he said something about sorel calling him and texting him pleading/crying to him not to say anything.... but apparently he doesn't have the texts saved.
yeah when I heard that I was thinking "here we go..."


but the rest of the interview sounded very believable. I really see no real reason why JR would lie about this.

Last edited by the_snail03; 02-22-2011 at 04:14 AM. Reason: Marco ftw!
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02-22-2011 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by the_snail03
yeah when I heard that I was thinking "here we go..."


but the rest of the interview sounded very believable. I really see no real reason why JR would lie about this.

It's recent so he can retrieve them. And yes, very believeable
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02-22-2011 , 04:21 AM
apparently nailed as Marco and Quad Jacks as impartial intermediaries.

Let'e hope it continues as more sagas are abounding.


Do I see old English Style Gaalvanting iits' Grace and pure Judgement
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02-22-2011 , 04:22 AM
Its clearly believable, no doubt, but Sorel begging him to not post is not necessarily an admission of guilt. He knows he has a bad reputation and even if its not true, He knows what the court of public opinion will believe. I hope its not true, but it doesnt look good for Sorel. I want to believe him but the fact that John told Shaun this, when he could have just kept it to himself and not had to pay chinese losses is telling.
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02-22-2011 , 04:23 AM
Nice interview.

I find it really hard to believe that this is made up. The story seems perfectly plausible, racener has absolutely no reason to lie, and his discussion of the situation is full of details that check out.

Some of Sorel's post just comes off as such blatant lying. This in particular was just pretty ridiculous:

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I'm not even sure exactly how one effectively cheats in Chinese. The only stories I've heard about cheating in chinese poker is people who muck their bottom hands and put a big hand up top when their entire hand is **** (like bad 3pair so they put AA up top and muck rest of their hand). Or maybe putting down a big royalty (straight flush) but setting it down so that you don't see that one of the cards in the "straight flush" is actually a heart and not a diamond ex.(having 3d,4d,5d,6h,7d) but covering it as if the heart is a diamond) Dealing off the bottom of the deck is ridic, honestly sounds like something out of a movie and don't really think it would be effective in Chinese ( unless ur playing with jokers i guess).. I've probably played with jokers a total of 5 or 6 times?... I'm by no means a magician or good with cards or card tricks... I have one card trick and its kind of lame...
That's just such classic lying to act all confused about the accusation when he obviously knows exactly what he was accused of doing.


What's the deal with the texts, though? It's weird not to have texts saved... I guess if it's from a few weeks ago he could have a new phone or have deleted texts to save memory or whatever.
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