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11-09-2014 , 03:58 AM
cause as you well know when there sat out pvas it doesnt matter what action you take as it says sitting out when you hit that mouse or hot key it simply has his hand as dead , yes i could of called and maybe prevented this (for example HU its quicker to call and blind someone down than raise (but with hot key it really does not matter as its as fast if not faster) , yes i probably wud of put the 1.5bb in and fold when he insta sits in and jams, but was really strange behaviour/ software glitch, i did have j8ss so w.e but was really strange for some reason as soon as them chips went against a sitting out player it sat him in and he was left with a decision. was baffeled pretty cheesed that it happened, but as you say pvas calling would of been good, i had one table left so had full attention and when it folded to me all in was the option and the option i took , so its my fault i know, but if i knew he was sat in then i would of simply folded,

anyways yes you make a good point and i shouldnt really put it in here but was just a thing ive never seen happen before in this scenario, maybe you have cause i know you play alot more volume than me but still really never seen it happen in my career

Last edited by jayme87; 11-09-2014 at 04:27 AM.
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11-09-2014 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
cause as you well know when there sat out pvas it doesnt matter what action you take as it says sitting out when you hit that mouse or hot key it simply has his hand as dead , yes i could of called and maybe prevented this (for example HU its quicker to call and blind someone down than raise (but with hot key it really does not matter as its as fast if not faster?) , yes i probably wud of put the 1.5bb in and fold when he insta sits in and jams, but was really strange behaviour/ software glitch, i did have j8ss so w.e but was really strange for some reason as soon as them chips went against a sitting out player it sat him in and he was left with a decision. was baffeled pretty cheesed that it happened, but as you say pvas calling would of been good, i had one table left so had full attention and when it folded to me all in was the option and the option i took , so its my fault i know, but if i knew he was sat in then i would of simply folded,

anyways yes you make a good point and i shouldnt really put it in here but was just a thing ive never seen happen before in this scenario, maybe you have cause i know you play alot more volume than me
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11-09-2014 , 06:56 AM
Isn't J8ss the third best starting hand in Holdem?

Why would you have simply folded?

Obviously if it wasnt suited, its straight into the muck, but in this case, you would be crazy to fold a suited J8
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11-09-2014 , 08:47 AM
im a nit well oki mioght of shoved bvb but as utg+2 was all in or HJ i guessit std rip with him sat in but obvs seen him sitting out till i made my action which was instant
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11-10-2014 , 12:07 AM
You got got.
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11-10-2014 , 05:00 AM
ino even got 10th tonight the milly nits gonna nit
time to shine boys
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11-11-2014 , 09:51 AM
This would never happen in live poker.
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11-11-2014 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars MikeJ
The issue being discussed here is table balancing in tournaments.

Table balancing is the process of moving players from tables having more players to tables with fewer players so that all tables in a tournament are populated as equally as possible. This balancing consists of a sequence of operations, each of which moves a single player. At present the first factor is whether a player is sitting out. It was set up this way in order to minimize the impact to the playing experience. If a player is sitting out, they presumably are not playing, and therefore moving tables has no impact to their playing experience.

As implied in the original post, there turns out to be an exploit here that we didn’t foresee when the table balancing algorithm was designed. Some players have come to realize that sitting out increases their chances of being moved to a different table, and use this exploit when they want to be moved.

It has only recently come to our attention in PokerStars Poker Room Management that some people are exploiting the sitting out portion of the table balancing algorithm. Since it came to our attention a few weeks ago, we have been working on a change. I think it is worth noting here that our desire to change this has nothing to do with the fact that it was “made public” in the OP. Rather, our desire to make a change was and is driven by the desire to offer the best poker experience possible.

The idea that we’re currently pursuing is to simply change the sitting out portion of the algorithm to be x number of hands. With such a change, sitting out will only be considered for a table change if that sitting out has happened for x consecutive hands. X can be any number we wish. The higher the number, then the less exploitable this becomes, but we would want to choose a number low enough that sitting out status could still be considered, due to the aforementioned desire to minimize impact to the playing experience. If you have feedback regarding that number, please share it.

Like any software change, this one will require time to write, test, and implement, but the ball is rolling.

Regards,
Mike Jones
Tournaments Team Manager
PokerStars Poker Room Management
Don't you think a better solution would just be to increase the rake on said tournaments?
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11-13-2014 , 01:06 PM
For the millionth time, complete randomization.
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11-17-2014 , 03:43 AM
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Don't you think a better solution would just be to increase the rake on said tournaments?
wp
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11-21-2014 , 07:09 AM
smart move, but i don't think it gives abusers a big edge
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12-05-2014 , 10:38 AM
This issue is now fixed. For the purpose of table balancing in tournaments, players are now being randomly chosen.

Regards,
Mike Jones
Tournaments Team Manager
PokerStars Poker Room Management
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12-05-2014 , 10:39 AM
Cheers mike.
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12-05-2014 , 11:06 AM
If players are now randomly chosen, wouldn't this increase the chances of players paying double blinds without completing one orbit?

For example I pay big blind and small blind and next hand I'm randomly chosen for my table change and I'm placed at a new table and given UTG or UTG+1 seat, is that a possibility, Mike?
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12-05-2014 , 11:37 AM
Good news, thanks Mike!

@anuj: that's just a part of tournament poker.
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12-06-2014 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
Cheers mike.
Who?

Spoiler:
Mike Jones
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12-09-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars MikeJ
This issue is now fixed. For the purpose of table balancing in tournaments, players are now being randomly chosen.

Regards,
Mike Jones
Tournaments Team Manager
PokerStars Poker Room Management
wouldnt it make more sense to move players based on players who have sat together the longest?

it seems like compounding varaince to only get moved at random ie if you get a really good or really bad table draw

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10-14-2018 , 02:31 PM
I know this is a resolved issue but a friend of mine showed me an interesting snapshot.
In the tournament he was playing he got moved to a table where everyone was sitting out and he cleaned them out.
Wonder how that could have happened.
Are people still trying it and get moved to a table where everyone is sitting out gets seated?
That dont make much sense but wondering how the initial problem was 'corrected' and under what circumstances this could occur.
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10-14-2018 , 05:13 PM
In all likelihood this was probably either

A) The sunday storm/freerolls/ other special mtts were heaps of people qualify but don't turn up or
B) The servers were down in a lot of countries.

Putting money on it that it was some random freeroll.
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