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Old 10-13-2014, 11:02 PM   #101
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

In b4 regs start using sitout scripts to bumhunt in large field MTTs and the ones without scripts end up having thougher tables.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:40 PM   #102
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In b4 regs start using sitout scripts to bumhunt in large field MTTs and the ones without scripts end up having thougher tables.
If they implement the X-hands thing I don't think it will even be an issue anymore tbh. I completely agree (with others itt) it should be randomized, however if you're gonna be needing to sit out 20+ hands in a row there is no way the edge gained from moving tables will be larger than that lost from missing 20 potential spots. If they're sitting out to attempt to pass the X-hand threshold and only sitting back in when they get a playable hand, that should be extremely easy to track and punish (in regards to multi tabling regs)
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:23 AM   #103
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My vote is for completely random.
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:18 AM   #104
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If they implement the X-hands thing I don't think it will even be an issue anymore tbh. I completely agree (with others itt) it should be randomized, however if you're gonna be needing to sit out 20+ hands in a row there is no way the edge gained from moving tables will be larger than that lost from missing 20 potential spots. If they're sitting out to attempt to pass the X-hand threshold and only sitting back in when they get a playable hand, that should be extremely easy to track and punish (in regards to multi tabling regs)
This isn't true. In the WCOOP ME you could just sit out the 1st hour or 2 until you got a great table draw.


I think Stars table moving policy was/is solid it can just be sadly exploited at higher levels. I'm for random but it does seem like people will be moved A LOT more in the smaller buyins/huge fields if it is changed which is an argument for a worse playing experience.

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Old 10-14-2014, 12:10 PM   #105
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

maybe stars could just use a different seating algorithm for tourneys >$100. not like people are sitting out of the big 22 to get better table draws. no idea if this would be difficult from a programing perspective.
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Old 10-14-2014, 12:40 PM   #106
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

So people actually sat out the first hour of the main instead of just lateregging? That is hilarious.
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Old 10-14-2014, 12:47 PM   #107
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

I always thought the satelite regs who'd remain sitting out after tanking in EP as the bubble approached were idiots. Guess the joke's on me!
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Old 10-14-2014, 01:09 PM   #108
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

If there is any chance of people exploiting this then it has to be random as the fairness of the game is more important than the playing experience.

This seems too obvious to say but it seems Stars you need to hear it.
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Old 10-14-2014, 01:12 PM   #109
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

I'm guessing the biggest issue would be deep in tournaments? Say there is 13 people left, you are 2nd in chips, 7handed and CL is on your left. Player busts on other table, you are sitting out you get moved?
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Old 10-15-2014, 02:15 AM   #110
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

Lot of possibilities. Get seated to the right of some players you hate playing against? Sit out at the end of hands and hope to get moved. F2T and you want to play on the other table? sit out. Early in a really big MTT and your draw sucks? sit out.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:51 AM   #111
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

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So people actually sat out the first hour of the main instead of just lateregging? That is hilarious.
I was watching a lot of tables right from the beginning and yes, plenty of (well known) players did it while still playing their normal sunday schedule.
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:44 AM   #112
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iirc stars has the ability to see if you have illegal software running and other big brother type stuff, so surely they can determine who is really sitting out / AFK and who is trying to force a seat change at 1 of his tables.

Not that there's anything wrong with completely random anyway IMO. Pretty sure most people are aware of the fact that you can get reseated in an MTT.
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:34 PM   #113
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I was watching a lot of tables right from the beginning and yes, plenty of (well known) players did it while still playing their normal sunday schedule.
Lol what like who?
Man, the only reason could be close to good idea "shouldn't be possible" (table count issues, or not being profitable in the tournament)
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:58 PM   #114
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lol this is the least cheating problem
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:11 PM   #115
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

There is no mention of changing tables in the original post, what if it's about something else completely?
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:27 PM   #116
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

Try reading the whole thread, not just the OP.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:28 PM   #117
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Try reading the whole thread, not just the OP.
I did, but most of the thread is about 'changing tables' and we even have an official reply post about the 'changing tables' issue, so my point is why have so many posts about 'changing tables' when it could be something different entirely?

In fact, the more babbling about 'changing tables', the more I am inclined to think it's nothing about this at all.
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Old 10-16-2014, 05:33 PM   #118
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The issue being discussed here is table balancing in tournaments.


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Old 10-16-2014, 05:56 PM   #119
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

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I did, but most of the thread is about 'changing tables' and we even have an official reply post about the 'changing tables' issue, so my point is why have so many posts about 'changing tables' when it could be something different entirely?

In fact, the more babbling about 'changing tables', the more I am inclined to think it's nothing about this at all.
Hope you're just trolling
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:24 PM   #120
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Re: the 'sit out trick' on PokerStars

using "X number of hands" is like putting a band-aid on a broken limb....

yes it may help with the problem, but it will still exist.

the real problem is that you can influence your chances of a table-change at all(intentionally or not). this cannot exist in any form without a high probability of some scummy angle-shooting.

i dont understand why you guys think its less disruptive to move a player that's sitting out anyways; table changes are a necessary evil of MTT poker....sometimes its a huge positive, other times its a huge negative and this just adds to the random, anybody-can-win part of tournament poker that makes it so popular.

for example, sometimes a player(s) has you figured out, has position and/or chips etc, or the table is just overall tough and is sure to lessen your chances at a big score....before you are suddenly moved to a new table where you're chances of a big score are increased.
other times you're the big stack at a very soft table and maybe even have several opponents on monkey tilt....before you are suddenly moved to a new table where you're sandwiched between several good players who also have large stacks and obviously now you're chances of a big score are reduced.

this is just another reason MTT poker is so popular and great for the game....a non-random or fair method of table-changes is unacceptable.
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Old 10-17-2014, 03:37 PM   #121
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is this issue only on pokerstars?
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:15 AM   #122
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also think it should be completely random
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Old 10-18-2014, 04:38 AM   #123
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but how much did you lose......while sitting out

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Old 10-20-2014, 11:01 AM   #124
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well, we know that stars ship went belly up when they tried to plug in their new shiny button randomizer and that they had to give up on that. so i'd say, not getting rid of an arbitrary, unrelated variable but trying to keep its effects under control is as good as it gets.

gl downstairs guys, cutting down on the exploits ability to pry on the lower deck ;-)
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:14 PM   #125
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I've noticed this alot. time out on a table or sitout to take a piss and boom - moved away from the table :/
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