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Old 02-13-2015, 04:30 PM   #101
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Re: *** SCOOP 2015 - Official Feedback Thread ***

must also echo the demand for the Kickoff to become a SCOOP event. Starting the day with a massive $11/$109/$1k event would ensure huge traffic throughout the day.

I've already stated the opinion that turbos have no place in SCOOP, but I'm persuaded by the suggestion of adding a turbo event at the end of each day. Why not set the turbos as additional events to wrap up each day? This would free up a load of space for more vanilla NLHE and PLO events.
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Old 02-13-2015, 04:43 PM   #102
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+1 to oursurveysays.. much better schedule
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Old 02-13-2015, 05:22 PM   #103
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Please keep the ante up. It's a really fun format and I dont think 1 event per series is too much. It's at least as popular as most of the mixed games and should be represented as such.

Also, agree with everyone, PKOs are dumb, terrible choices for saturday tournaments, etc. Saturdays should always have a 2 day NLH since it's the only day a lot of recs can afford to play a 2 day tournament, but stars obv has their reasons since they get these comments every year and choose to ignore them.
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Old 02-13-2015, 05:27 PM   #104
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Bryan,

I have a number of thoughts. I'll try to be concise, as well as pick my battles.

I also have 571k lifetime VPPs (and counting!!) (am I a valued customer or what?!) I plan to play most of the NL high events.

My overwhelmingly strongest feeling is on what dates SCOOP should run. Now, I realize these dates are set for this year, and that's just fine. But I would really like to hammer home the idea right now of having SCOOP 2016 in April. It solves so many logistical issues, without much of a drawback. It was mentioned in this thread that .FR SCOOP runs in April, and this is (potentially) why .com SCOOP doesn't run in April. It seems that the .com SCOOP should get the priority time slot, as it caters to the most players. Now I imagine there are several factors involved here that I'm not even aware of, but my hope is that if you start now, you can begin clearing some of the hurdles that stand in the way of .com SCOOP being in April, and we can in fact have .com SCOOP in April for 2016.

I don't see a single dissenting voice in the thread I linked to or this one. Looking at some logistics:

-2015 EPT Grand Final: April 18- May 8th. 2015 SCOOP dates have no conflict, but neither would they if SCOOP was in April.

-2015 WSOP: First open event is a big one, 5k NL on Wednesday May 27th. That's pretty quick turnout from Monte Carlo to SCOOP to Vegas, especially for players playing EPT GF and SCOOP from Europe. April SCOOP eases this constant grind, and transition between places greatly.

-2015 WSOP Circuit Championship: It looks like the exact 2015 dates haven't been announced yet, but last year it ran May 22-24th. Those dates seem extremely likely again this year. That is a direct conflict with SCOOP. Granted, this will affect a small number of players, and PokerStars holds most of the cards here, in the sense that most players would chose SCOOP over WSOP NC, if forced to make a decision. So I recognize you have little incentive to accommodate a small group of players here, but one time?? Of course April SCOOP makes this WSOP NC an easy stop for people able and wanting to play all of the tournaments mentioned above.

My 2nd biggest priority is changing the SCOOP event one. I would be really disheartened actually if this event was some form of a knockout. This is the Sunday Warmup, it's an absolute classic. Everyone loves it for what it has, and has for years, and will for years to come. Please do not drastically change the format of this, even once a year. Change the seats from 9 to 6 or 8, but making this a KO would be really disappointing to me.

I enjoy any form of KO tourney, and I think I understand the bigger picture reasoning Stars has for pushing this format to be more prevalent. I'm not thrilled (....) with all the KO additions, but I'm willing to concede this point because 1. It makes sense big picture wise and 2. They're not that bad. I just think that making event one, the Warm Up, a KO event, is taking it too far.

I'll concede KOs but contest turbos. Now I love turbos, and have played all EPTs this year (as an American) , except Deauville, which I skipped because I was excited to play Tcoop. But during Scoop, I would just prefer to have far fewer turbo events. I don't mind the idea of adding one to close a day here and there, in principle, the issue is that there are just so many other non-turbo formats that these events replace that I would much rather see on the schedule and play. Like Wednesday May 20th strikes me as a pretty bizarre day. I don't understand the theory of making the later two events of the day turbos.

A few more thoughts:

-Strongly agree that a Kickoff event on both Sundays makes a lot of sense, and would be a huge success. I could see tons of people adding a couple of hours to their Sunday game play because of this addition.

- I really like event 16, big antes with rebuys. Similar events that I would love to see on the schedule again this year are the 500c and the 500r AH, in that order.

-The n-stack event idea seems a little strange to be pushing this hard out of nowhere. I don't mind it per se, but it seems odd to replace popular events like the 500c or 500 AH with this format. I'd prefer to see the n-stack sacrificed for other events.

-I don't know how to play any stud games, but the idea of a triple stud event seems sweet. It seems like a lot of fun, and cool to get 3 games into one event - not to say that i think the individual stud stud8 and razz events shoul be sacrificed, of course not.

-2-7 single draw would be awesome. Again I don't know the rules lol, but I would like to one day, and I bet a handful of people would love to get to play this.

-I realize I'm asking for a lot of additions. The candidate events I see for subtraction are 20, 25 and 30. Event 30 is FLHE. I'm not sure how people feel about this event these days, and if a lot of people would be upset if it were changed to a NL event or another game entirely.

-NLH Monday mornings isn't ideal (but I'm fine with it if need be). It seems like Mondays are a good candidate for days off and late starts for most of the Scoop players (NLHE MTT players) , so I think having a mixed game event Monday mornings causes minimum overlap for most players in terms of what schedule they're likely to play, and maximum attendance. Like if you have a NLHE event scheduled for Monday morning, that same event would draw more players later on Monday or the middle of Wednesday ( I think). Small point and difference either way.

-HS HU PLO is a great idea. Again, not playing! But saw it mentioned and agree with that post that 2015 may be the time to get that going. Seems like it would be great for the fans/rail/overall buzz with Scoop, as well as to encourage more nosebleed players to play Scoop, or more of Scoop than they were planning to play.

-I think the 4m is in a fine time slot, and has a fine structure. 4m plays very quickly anyways, so making it a turbo isn't necessary. Since it plays more quickly than 6m or FR, that somewhat mitigates the affect of a late-scheduled freezeout keeping one up too late on Saturday. Plus if you get deep, it's a good problem to have. Also, I just think the YOLO + extra coffee factor is enough to allow one to play play the final day of SCOOP well on low sleep. Granted I am in a favorable timezone for the schedule, and not Europe, so I can empathize with their concerns. However I think my YOLO point carries a lot of weight.

-Saturdays. I'm more okay with Saturdays than most, though I agree that a big 2 day NLHE event just makes tons of sense. And it seems like a pretty obvious play. I'm not sure what to think about what day the 20k HU should be, Stars, you guys would have a much better feel for that than me, so I'm inclined to trust your judgment in placing it on a Saturday. However it does seem like the 32 people that play it will find a way to play it any day of the week... So perhaps this is an inefficient use of that time slot. I also feel like event 20 is just out of place. It's not my cup of tea, so maybe that's the main issue. Anyone else think this event is an inefficient use of this marquee day/time slot?

-Finally, I realize that having some continuity in amount of events per day (3, with 3 buyin levels for each) has some inherent benefit, but I think adding some events on Sundays would have some merits. Specifically the Kickoff event both Sundays, and perhaps a big wrapup turbo on both or at least the final Sunday. (Wrap up turbos are there, just would hate to see them have to go in order for the Kickoff to be added. If I had to pick, I'd pick Kickoff, but it seems like there is the capacity/liquidity for both to be on the Sunday schedule).

Dam, sorry for the long read. Thanks for the time.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:36 AM   #105
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pads schedule is a HIGE improvement to the proposed one. if the themed days cant happen its pretty easy to switch those around without messing up the weekends as they have been proposed.

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Old 02-14-2015, 02:36 AM   #106
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haven't played a sunday kickoff once in my life (not a morning person), but wouldn't miss a SCOOP kickoff for the world. You don't have to take every idea in this thread, but this one plz consider.

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Old 02-14-2015, 02:42 AM   #107
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Yeah scoop kickoff sounds good ect
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Old 02-14-2015, 03:16 AM   #108
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Too many turbos, stars already has tcoop for that. As usual the tourneys on saturday are not very attraktive as a grinder.
I want more 9-max fo without any gimmicks.
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Old 02-14-2015, 07:30 AM   #109
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To all in favor of fewer turbo's; do you really want a slow structured tournament in the last slot of the day? I know I will be playing exactly zero of the non-turbo tournaments in that slot. If you want to offer some good structured coops for other regions of the world that's of course fine, but I'm surprised at the amount of anti turbo votes.
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:10 AM   #110
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And please don't change great tournaments like the warm up into other formats like PKO's, you are already adding a bunch of those, no need to change great excisting tournaments.
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:20 AM   #111
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i think a phase L M and H running for say mon - sat then the day 2 on sunday like the $11 phase would be a great addition
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:14 AM   #112
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+1 for pads schedule, pls consider takin some parts or even all of his schedule as basic schedule and go from there
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:12 AM   #113
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Unless I'm over looking it pads schedule has no razz event!! Defiantly don't take that out it's the most played stud game on the site and most popular scoop out of the 3 games, while also much more traffic than games like 5 card draw and badugi
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:15 AM   #114
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how long before every mtt is psko? zzz
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PKOs are fun tourneys but not for an online series like SCOOP. It may be profitable to call a shove with 69o because of the bounty but it is obscure to have those decisions with leaderboard considerations and the prestige to final table or win a SCOOP tourney.
This^^, please lose the psko from the warm up on the opening day.

This is the weakest schedule that has been put out.
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:24 AM   #115
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there can never be enough turbos. TCOOP is just once a year. But reg speed series and challenges all the time. I think the amount of turbos is perfect. I wish there was at least one hyper event tho
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:35 AM   #116
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say no to PKO! say no to PKO! say no to PKO!
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Old 02-14-2015, 11:17 AM   #117
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+1 kickoffs

schedule in OP is boring, spice up our lives
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:06 PM   #118
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For those interested in having a means of comparison, here is the schedule for the inaugural SCOOP in 2009:

Day 1: #1 - $530 - $55 - $5.50 ....... NLHE with Rebuys (6-Max)
......... #2 - $1050 - $109 - $11 ...... PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Day 2: #3 - $1050 - $109 - $11 ...... PL 5-Card Draw
......... #4 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 .. NLHE (2x Chance, Turbo)
Day 3: #5 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 .. NLHE 10-Max Shootout
......... #6 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ...... PL Omaha (1R1A, 6-Max)
Day 4: #7 - $10300 - $1050 - $109 .. HORSE
......... #8 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ...... NLHE (2-Day)
Day 5: #9 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ...... FL 2-7 Triple Draw
......... #10 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 . NLHE Heads Up
Day 6: #11 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ..... Mixed Hold'em (6-Max)
......... #12 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... Stud Hi/Lo
Day 7: #13 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... Razz
......... #14 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... NLHE (6-Max)
Day 8: #15 - $4175 - $425 - $44 ..... 8-Game
......... #16 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ..... Stud Hi
Day 9: #17 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... NLHE (1R1A)
......... #18 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... FL Omaha Hi/Lo (9-Handed)
Day 10 #19 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... PL Omaha
......... #20 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... FL Hold'em (6-Max)
Day 11 #21 - $25500 - $2600 - $270 . NLHE Heads Up
......... #22 - $10300 - $1050 - $109 . Main Event

The obvious observations would be that there was only 1 turbo, no re-entries, less gimmicks and bigger, more diverse buy-ins all round. It seems to me that they opened the SCOOP with a bang and since then it has lost more and more purity.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:43 PM   #119
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I'll try to do a better post about the impression I had after seeing schedule.

1- It seems that you want to put different things in tournaments. How to turn everything into PSKO, which is a variant that I really like, put big antes fun, makes the game interesting by the increase in dead money, however many recs not like, they just want to play the 100 / 1k rebuy standard, which leads to reduction in the prize pool.

2 - MANY TURBOS, SCOOP is not a series to put turbo in any tournament out there just because it is a normal FO and FO are not so fashionable now.
EVENT 32 would be much better if FO, 27/215 / 2k FO, no rebuys, s in KOs without big antes because putting turbo? There is no other NLH this day.
The same happens on the second day of the series. A HU and turbo rebuy tournament, 7 / 82R/700R would be amazing, but it's better to turn on turbo, is not it?
Event 09 is ok to be turbo.
Event 18 is ok too, but it would be much better as reg speed
This is a series of tournaments throughout the year expected by all players, both as rec reg, no one wants to play several tournaments turbos after a year of waiting for several deeps tournaments.

3- Kickoff every Sunday should be an obligation, it is something we all want, whenever they transform the kickoff at a special event is a success. Not only does it itself, but all the tournaments who are nearby, will be the three best Sunday of the year for everyone playing online poker. We have 8r paying 15k as you strive to increase the guaranteed regular at that time. Maybe I will have a taste of the gold old times?

4- Make sure the last tournament of the saturday will not until later, everyone wants to sleep early to wake up provisions of best Sunday of the year

5- bring back the 6max AH.

6- Make a HR 8max.

I had to use the translator to get through everything I wanted. Sorry for any mistake.
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Old 02-14-2015, 01:00 PM   #120
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I have never understood why the weekends/friday nights dont have more events its when most recreational players will play and so you smash it. Take out the monday morning events and put in more weekends IMO.

Also you have the Friday afternoon/night events as mostly non hold em not sure rec players going to rush home from work to play in the

14:00 -- SCOOP-17-L: $27 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]
14:00 -- SCOOP-17-M: $215 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]
14:00 -- SCOOP-17-H: $2,100 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]

14:00 -- SCOOP-38-L: $7.50 HORSE
14:00 -- SCOOP-38-M: $82 HORSE
14:00 -- SCOOP-38-H: $700 HORSE

17:00 -- SCOOP-39-L: $27 NL Omaha Hi/Lo
17:00 -- SCOOP-39-M: $215 NL Omaha Hi/Lo
17:00 -- SCOOP-39-H: $2,100 NL Omaha Hi/Lo

which are 3 of the 4 friday night slots.

I also like the PSKO formats FWIW
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Old 02-14-2015, 01:03 PM   #121
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For those interested in having a means of comparison, here is the schedule for the inaugural SCOOP in 2009:

Day 1: #1 - $530 - $55 - $5.50 ....... NLHE with Rebuys (6-Max)
......... #2 - $1050 - $109 - $11 ...... PL Omaha Hi/Lo
Day 2: #3 - $1050 - $109 - $11 ...... PL 5-Card Draw
......... #4 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 .. NLHE (2x Chance, Turbo)
Day 3: #5 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 .. NLHE 10-Max Shootout
......... #6 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ...... PL Omaha (1R1A, 6-Max)
Day 4: #7 - $10300 - $1050 - $109 .. HORSE
......... #8 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ...... NLHE (2-Day)
Day 5: #9 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ...... FL 2-7 Triple Draw
......... #10 - $1575 - $162 - $16.50 . NLHE Heads Up
Day 6: #11 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ..... Mixed Hold'em (6-Max)
......... #12 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... Stud Hi/Lo
Day 7: #13 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... Razz
......... #14 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... NLHE (6-Max)
Day 8: #15 - $4175 - $425 - $44 ..... 8-Game
......... #16 - $3150 - $320 - $33 ..... Stud Hi
Day 9: #17 - $2100 - $215 - $22 ..... NLHE (1R1A)
......... #18 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... FL Omaha Hi/Lo (9-Handed)
Day 10 #19 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... PL Omaha
......... #20 - $5200 - $530 - $55 ..... FL Hold'em (6-Max)
Day 11 #21 - $25500 - $2600 - $270 . NLHE Heads Up
......... #22 - $10300 - $1050 - $109 . Main Event

The obvious observations would be that there was only 1 turbo, no re-entries, less gimmicks and bigger, more diverse buy-ins all round. It seems to me that they opened the SCOOP with a bang and since then it has lost more and more purity.

And it was in April, not May.

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Old 02-14-2015, 01:08 PM   #122
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With $27/$215/$2,100 being the normal stakes, I don't see why Event 40 (PL Omaha [6-Max, n-Stack]) is $55/$530/$5,200...

If you want to make one Event bigger, more prestigious or whatever, it should rather be HORSE or 8-Game!
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17:00 -- SCOOP-42-L: $27 NL Hold'em [4-Max]
17:00 -- SCOOP-42-M: $215 NL Hold'em [4-Max]
17:00 -- SCOOP-42-H: $2,100 NL Hold'em [4-Max]

It hasn't been decided yet, but Event 42 could end up being a 2-Day Event.
#42 starting so late on a saturday was my only complaint at a glance,2 day would make me very happy with the entire first draft of the schedule
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Old 02-14-2015, 01:39 PM   #124
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With $27/$215/$2,100 being the normal stakes, I don't see why Event 40 (PL Omaha [6-Max, n-Stack]) is $55/$530/$5,200...

If you want to make one Event bigger, more prestigious or whatever, it should rather be HORSE or 8-Game!
its also an n-stack not a rebuy... makes more sense that its the higher BI

looking forward to it myself
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Old 02-14-2015, 01:47 PM   #125
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It's supposed to be an improvement in schedule but i really don't see many changes but there aren't many diferences compared to last year (only speaking about NLH). Worst of that, the changes are bad. So:

- removed 500R AH, to add a 700$ turbo Ultra Deep and a 1k n-stack (it will be a failure, to much complicated to every players)

- replaced a 2,1k sko and a 2,1 psko by two 1k psko

So you remove a super deep tournament, we haven't no one like this in all year and add one more turbo and a tournament that the most of players don't know the rules

In Thursdays, we have a normal day. That's not supposed to be a SCOOP day? We already have a 1k psko every thursday, can we have two special thursdays?

+1 to Kickoff SCOOP Events
+1 to days of a specific format
+1 to less turbos
+1 to bigger Saturdays

- 1 to ante up (why you remove formats everyone loves and keep that one??)

You can do better than this. I think that's a big delusion schedule for the most players.
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