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Originally Posted by bparis
palinca this is a fantastic idea, I was discussing something similar the other day. The closest I've found is dan druff's "pokerfraudalert" which seems to be more about sketchy websites than sketchy action sales. If you have any interest in attempting to make that site come to fruition PM me, I would be willing to invest in it or do some work on it.
I was going to type a long-winded response to schmette's post but I've already said my piece in the rest of the thread, so I'll just say I strongly disagree with much of it, especially the part about MP ever letting him back in - the rest of poker can decide to do business w him again if they want to, but 2+2 has a responsibility to protect its members and a lifetime ban is absolutely in order here
edit: buying that domain name now, anyone interested in making this happen can get in touch w me. Think it would be an amazing resource for the community and could eliminate these constant black marks that poker's reputation is getting when people do things like this
Thanks for your enthusiasm! I do think there is room for a project like this, now more than ever maybe.
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
sounds cool
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Originally Posted by fakelogic
Cool basic idea, but the main problem I initially see would be a "he said/she said" issue. Shady "investors" who either lie about how much they were sold or even just basic disagreements/miscommunication what was actually agreed/booked. Also, much like a few threads on 2p2 trying to out people (ghosting thread, MP negative feedback thread, etc), a lot of it can easily become a rumor mill and just throwing people under the bus w/o solid evidence. Not sure I personally see a solution on how to resolve this other than moderators, but even then, it can get into a lot of fuzzy area w/ incomplete information.
EDIT: Or just look at this thread, there are guys wanting to give various levels of leniency or even outright excusing Ben's behavior. Or I'll admit for myself, I think I tend to have a stricter threshold of fairness/respectful/professionalism on MP transactions than most. There's just such a wide range of what people think is shady or not.
Of course, there are many hurdles to overcome for an app or site like that to be efficient. One of them is dealing with noise and spam. But in this particular overselling scenario, there would be no "he said she said" problem since the two parties would have basically signed an informal contract before the tournament even started. The site would clearly indicate everyone agreed on the terms beforehand. As for the miscommunication part, well pokerrep would have lots of templates and guidelines to educated people one how to have clear dialogues and negociations.
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Originally Posted by bparis
good points, perhaps we should start another thread on the best way to build / run this site if the project gets off the ground at all. I think similar sites in other realms have worked well enough, as palinca said - even if there's a situation with a lot of grey area, having a link to a thread about it so people could see both sides would be a lot better than the current situation where everyone operates in the dark
And fwiw I think your standards are quite reasonable, after reading your posts ITT and doing some business with you in the past
I think starting a community thread would be a great idea, see what ideas are out there, what needs to be be adressed or improved, who could help out if the project became serious, the level of interest from the community, etc.
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Originally Posted by ItsOnlyChips
@palinca great idea, please follow thru with this (and bparis as well). it would be an invaluable resource for the community
u could have a rating system like ebay sellers have to eliminate most of the confusion
Thanks, I put the idea out there because its a massive endeavor that requires time, many different technical skills, connections, funds. I would love to participate in elaborating something like that but obviously cant do it alone.
Its the kind of idea where execution is everything. You have to do it in a very professional way, or not at all. If the end product if just "meh" itll never catch on and if noone really uses it itll just stagnate or die.