I think it's absurd to suggest that anything close to the majority of people who sell in the marketplace are prone to go on benders and gamble in the pits with other people's money let alone steal from friends to recoup losses. I just don't put myself in that spot and don't enjoy casino gambling because hate making clear -ev bets. This is a common mentality.

Yes and I wouldn't be surprised if Ben thought the exact same way prior to his recent actions ... If you're sure it 100% would never happen to you then you suffer from standard overconfidence.

Your interpretation of Dantes' statement doesn't say anything about him, lol

It's just a reflection of your own skewed perspective

Yes, in fact, there are plenty of upstanding gentlemen in this world that don't steal when something goes wrong

If for whatever reason this guy isn't banned from the market place, he should be required to post a link to this thread in every package. But I think he should very clearly be banned.

I think we might have a confrimation bias here
Did anyone whom he owes money put up the effort to check if he maybe in fact has been in jail, and hence didn't manage to get this done yet? Maybe he was locked up for money laundering, and hence can't transfer atm. Or maybe some gang is trying to **** him up

Just trying to give a new perspective - Am not invloved, or know anyone

wtf are you even talking about?

no more posts mixgameaddict, you suck

only poker players would think 5k isn't a lot of money and he should be given a second chance, smh

You realize no one (except for mixgameaddict) of the many people posting in this thread think he should be given a 2nd chance?

Haha, I don't.

But that guy is legit good player, and you should be a tad more polite, or at least define his sucking better, imho. MAy the green with you, feel free to put up an examplke by banning my 1 day, whenever you fail to get an erection and 20 bucks on some random tranny

Drugs are bad mmkay

Agree

I have lost my whole roll due to pits and highstakes nonsense several times, but never lost a sinlge cent of investors, or more than I had in cash at home when I was backed for online MTT's (he knows what I did and do. We trust and respect one another)

There is a huge difference between being a degen, and being an irresponsibale degen. I mean, there are even many people using hard drugs recreationally that you just don't ever hear of due to their superior position in life, and/or the market... No reason to believe that most people selling on here would ever do bogus with other people's money.

Google conformation bias, and think of 2+2's wall of scamming context... guess what.. 1000 scammers likely have 50k honest guys - degen or not - to balance them, as opposition.

I myself once had to let investors wait for 3 weeks, because police accused me of money laundering, and then I lost my 2+2 account for forum-tilting... I cleared that **** with the police, got a new 2+2 account, then paid everyone plus a few $ on top for the inconvenience. Unexpected **** can hti aqnyone, and it may result in invesotrs not getting funds more weeks/months... why do you think that you get 50% of a players ROI for your investment? Because **** can happen beyond suck-outs at the tables...

Stupid thing is, I didn't even follow this thread cosely, but will catch up soon.

A degen and a irresponsible degen. What?

Don't tell me you don't see a difference between people hurting themselves, and those hurting others...
Maybe my semantics are broke, cause I'm drunk...

i have no horse in this race at all....but I do think that history and pattern of behavior is far more indicative of someone's "true colors" than their lowest/worst moment. there is no excuse for pre-meditated wrong doings and I think that fact will definitely hurt this guy's ability to regain the trust of his friends/backers/community.

but unless I'm missing something, this was truly a sort of one-time bizarre moment and before this occured, he had a pretty established track record....its sort of like when a long term SO cheats on you.....do you put more stock in the many years you two enjoyed together??? or their moment of infidelity???

Nope not like that at all. Terrible post

It's a lot more like catching a long time employee stealing from the register and then having to wonder how much they've been stealing the entire time, then warning other potential employers about it

Every post like this seems to ignore the fact that there is no way they can prove the "history and pattern of behavior" was 100% legit/clean in nearly every scenario. But we can definitively prove that the person attempted at least this scam. That's why never breaking the seal of trust is so important and why you shouldn't easily get second-chances in any public form, if at all.

And to preempt those who will say there are people who are doing shady acts and not getting caught: That's irrelevant in judging a person we know for sure committed one.

Best metaphor.

Key: This employee didn't wake up and feel remorse after recovering from 'a moment of madness' and come forward and confess... This employee was sniffed out and cornered and only then admitted his crime.

I've seen people of sound character F up in a moment of great stress and they have each time come forward of their own accord to tell the painful truth and work out how they will strive to make things right.

Also - I just don't comprehend for a moment someone pulling this scam who has the money behind to sort the whole thing without negatively affecting anyone.

You spewed off the investors money in a ****-**** craze?

Good guy with means: 'Sorry guys - I can't play the event. Refunds shipped.'

F***d up $distressed good guy: 'I totally f***d up, I'm sorry guys. This is my repayment plan...'

Guy with OtherAgenda: 'I did my best but busted.' ... 'Oh, you caught me?!... I messed up - it wasn't really my fault, it was my environment - I'll pay you back.'

Yeah this is a good analogy. I think the idea that we trust people until given proof otherwise is a fairly common one, yet once that is broken, it makes us question our assessment of character leading up to that point. Rightfully so.

It is such a huge contradiction in this case that he uses "being hazy" as an excuse for the breakdown in his character/moral code, yet he says that he played the tournament 100% to his ability. How the **** can you be that spaced out that you betray the very framework of your existence, yet wake up in the morning and go and use your brain to it's full logical capacity?!?!

He is going to play a game based largely on logic - Yet the whole circumstances surrounding him playing the tournament he is claiming reasons why his life logic completely let him down.

It's completely nonsensical and contradictory and I hope Ben can see the complete failure in logic in what he has said. Realistically this should mean the return of all funds/swaps including markup, since he self-admitted that there was zero chance any investors were getting what they paid for.

Has anyone that's bought action of any recent packages of his gone back and tried to verify it was run correctly?

Was just discussing this with a friend and thought of another aspect that I found interesting

If Ben hadn't tried to claim 2nd bullet, he likely would have easily got away with selling 130% at 1.15 for a $2,475 profit (calculations based on buyin being $5k even, more profit if it was $5k+200 or w/e)

On top of this already massive illicit gain, he tried to claim a 2nd bullet to extort even MORE money from investors

Something worth considering to anyone who wants to argue that his character is redeemable or whatever

he could still have played perfectly in the tournament.

reg late
fold a few orbits
get 35bbs in with tt, lose to kk

sure he may not have been in the mindset to play a perfect 12 hour day but in his first (only bullet) he could still have played perfectly.

come on man, it's utterly ludicrous to claim anyone who sold 130% could possibly play perfectly. The incentive structure is simply not lined up for it

I get that you're only saying maybe his bustout hand was technically standard or whatever but that's completely besides the point, which is that investors were drawing dead on this money from hand 1

haha yeah, this could have happened. And as BParis said, however he busted the tourny could have been perfectly standard.

But if I had bought piece of him @ 25% MU or w/e it was, it would be under the perception that he would be max utilising his skill edge (not late regging to begin with). And you and I both know that a reasonable portion of that edge would be expected to come by starting from beginning of tourny and exploiting weaker players with deeper stacks.

Agreed.

He def owes full amount of both bullets and owes all "swaps" and should be given some length of ban from the MP. (6 months+)