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11-20-2017 , 08:10 PM
What does the theory say? Is it better to rebuy/re-enter late in the tournament if you bust or start a new one provided there is a similar one starting for example?
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11-20-2017 , 08:31 PM
In theory if you are a good player, your edge should be bigger at the beginning of the tournament.

So new (same structure, player etc.) tournament is better than re-enter.
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11-20-2017 , 09:59 PM
It is a new tournament when you re-enter, past play obv doesn't matter. There's no theory aside from picking the best value tournament to play, whether you have busted the same thing before doesn't matter at all. So basically it's just a decision of whether you think it's worthwhile to late reg or play a different MTT instead.
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11-21-2017 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFabulous
In theory if you are a good player, your edge should be bigger at the beginning of the tournament.

So new (same structure, player etc.) tournament is better than re-enter.
Just keep in mind that by reentering/lateregging you can fit more tournaments in a session.
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11-21-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
It is a new tournament when you re-enter, past play obv doesn't matter. There's no theory aside from picking the best value tournament to play, whether you have busted the same thing before doesn't matter at all. So basically it's just a decision of whether you think it's worthwhile to late reg or play a different MTT instead.
First of all, I took a 5 year break from poker and I am really glad you are still on the forums chuck

found an old thread here https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...table-1205354/ where sklansky also replies. Opinions are still mixed though.
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11-22-2017 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by snowboard789
What does the theory say? Is it better to rebuy/re-enter late in the tournament if you bust or start a new one provided there is a similar one starting for example?
I don't know what the theory says and im not very experienced, because I used to play almost only cash game till six months ago, when I started to play almost only MTTs.
You can play the new one starting anyway and decide whether re-enter or not in the one you were playing.
I make the decision whether re-enter or not, looking at at the blindlevel. If I still receive with my reentry or rebuy 30-40 BBs I usually do it.
Depends also on Bankroll, Buy in and prizes.
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11-22-2017 , 07:42 AM
I forgot to write I play 90% omaha8, and the rest 10% PLO, stud8 and NLHE.
The decision re-enter or not may also depend on what game you 're playing.
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11-22-2017 , 06:52 PM
always re-enter after a cooler
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11-30-2017 , 11:36 PM
its fine if your reentry stack is >20bb if its under then you come in at a significant disadvantage to the average stacks
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12-01-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
its fine if your reentry stack is >20bb if its under then you come in at a significant disadvantage to the average stacks
this is wrong somehow, you have a valid point but its about ROI rather than being disadvantaged vs. the average stack, because the average stack is irrelevant

avg mid stakes reg probably shouldnt be re-entering $109s with 15bb, as their marginal 10%-15% ROI may now drop close to or below 0%

elite mtt reg joining the big $11 with 10bbs, still has a huge ROI, its significantly less than if they joined at lvl 1 obviously, but its still verrrrry high.
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12-01-2017 , 05:43 PM
Just think about it as if you're late regging a tournament. It's up to you to decide at what point late regging is no longer profitable. In theory assuming there's no other better alternative, you should reenter tournaments as long as you're beating the rake. If it's a soft tournament you can probably even reenter with 5 bigs and have a positive expectation.

One very important thing you need to keep in mind though is that BR requirements vary with field size and ROI. So just because you were bankrolled to reg a tournament at the start with 100bb and 50% ROI, it doesn't automatically mean you are bankrolled to reenter that same tournament with 10bb and 5% ROI. The calculations get a bit more complicated cause you also need to take into account field size at the time of reentry, but in general as you approach max late reg BR requirements go up.
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12-01-2017 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
...in general as you approach max late reg BR requirements go up.
thats why I only reentry at the 44er, 55er or 82er Omanias if I bust in the early blind levels. At the end of the registration period I dont like spending that amount of money for about 10 BB.
Sometimes I dont even rebuy/reenter in cheaper tourneys if it's too late and the blinds are already too high; but in general is easier to try a reentry "shot" with few BB if the tourney costs only a few dollars.
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12-01-2017 , 09:23 PM
A good rule of thumb is if it's a tournament at the lower end of your buyin range and you don't have any other tables to replace it with then you should definitely reenter even at 10bb. You still have edge and you're way overrolled for it anyway. If it's on the higher end probably only reenter if you bust early.
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12-02-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DeepInCidurr
this is wrong somehow, you have a valid point but its about ROI rather than being disadvantaged vs. the average stack, because the average stack is irrelevant

avg mid stakes reg probably shouldnt be re-entering $109s with 15bb, as their marginal 10%-15% ROI may now drop close to or below 0%

elite mtt reg joining the big $11 with 10bbs, still has a huge ROI, its significantly less than if they joined at lvl 1 obviously, but its still verrrrry high.
Are you saying when I have less chips than the average player in the tournament im not a disadvantage? Average stack will always be relevant because its a piece of information, more information is always better than less information and ignore any piece of information at the poker table at your peril.

Yes its about roi but you wen you have more chips you have better +Cev roi then smaller stacks because you have more stack utility, you can float and 3b in pos alot more and play multi street poker, when you have <20 you really only have rejam and allin first in in terms of what you can conceivably do in most situations with your stack. We don't want to be that player that swells the prizepool with multiple buyins but instead be that player that got an excellent +$ev roi with one maybe 2 reentires at a post 20 - 30bb.

I can rebuy in another tournament that late reg in a much better scenario in terms of chips stacks, when playing 6 - 8 tables reentries are less significant coz its just a 1/6 - 1/8 window on your screen. I can just buy into a new tourney and be deep with a skill advantage over presumably most of the field.

Reentries when your post 40 or 50 bb is w/e esp if you went out on a bad beat or think you have a sig skill edge over the rest of the table the or buy in was at the lower end of your roll. Reentries how it changes the strat of your opponent should be more meaningful than how it changes your strat if your really good, like if your opponent if pretty laggy over a large sample he may punt barrels early stages knowing he has 2-3 buy ins up his sleave
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12-02-2017 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
esp if you went out on a bad beat
how is a re-entry better based on the way you go out?

we disagree, but thats fine, perspective on re-entry is mostly a personal preference thing, along with a bit of theory. for me, its all about ROI. Average stack is just another way of telling you how many people are left in the tournament, which is only relevant at payjumps/FT bubble. I think avg stack isnt all that useful for anyone, and can actually have a negative impact on people who make unnecessary adjustments because of it.
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12-19-2017 , 11:54 AM
I think re-enter is mandatory in huge fields, since you want to gamble your way in early stages of the tournament. In small fields it depends if the tournament is easy/fishy or not.

Also everybody should fix themselfes a limit for re-entry.

I personnaly re-enter only if starting chips are over 40BB.
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12-19-2017 , 12:27 PM
did anyone talk about re-entries that are basically rakefree rebuys for people that have 0 chips left?
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12-21-2017 , 05:00 AM
Yes the "median stack" would be a lot more useful then average stack
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