This question refers to Bodog but it probably has implications elsewhere.

There are these two nightly 10k guarantees on Bodog, one is a $20 BI with usually ~400 players, the other is a $100 BI with ~80 players.

I find that when I make the FT of the $20 it is usally quite soft and finishing top 3 is relatively easy.

But, when I FT the $100 the competition anything but soft. Usually half the players there are among the top 20 players on the site.

Both have a 1st place payout of $3000.

Does this difference in quality of players at the FT mean that the varience in the smaller BI would be less, despite the larger field?

I'll attempt to add a poll, just for fun.

thanks to both of you who voted so far. Could we atleast get a little bit of discussion on this?

I'll start. I think the smaller buyin prob has a lower variance.

I think you will cash in both tournaments equally often, but the softness of the smaller buying will result in higher ROI.

Anyone else?

so ure asking:

(a) there is larger variance in larger fields
(b) there is larger variance in tougher final tables

is (a) >/=/< (b)?


and specifically for bodog i guess

just play both who gives a ****

Exactly what I am asking.

Specifically to Bodog only to the extent that the top players on the site make up a majority of the field in that event.

I think comparing the 100r on Stars (which I have heard can be tough)to a larger field 20r with a simular prize pool would be, well, simular.

So, Tufat, is (a) >/=/< (b)? and why do you believe so?

(Thanks for the responce BTW)

I guess I do shaun.

If I was drastically overrolled for both, like you obv are, it would not be a big deal. But I am not. The larger BI is close to the top of my BR limit, and I want to keep my BI's where they make the most sense.

with the overlay you can be playing them with a shorter roll.

Is the structure the same in both tournaments? I don't usually start playing until 8:00 EST, so I can't recall what the structure is in the 100 at 7:00.

Already taken into consideration and adjusted for.

On a side note: Do you have any input as to the relative variance of the two events?

never played on bodog

Yes. What is your sn btw?

Not even the BPO? You missed out. (so did I, played all 6 events, cashed in 0)

Since you play the 100r on Stars, can you compare the variance in that to a 20r with a simular prize pool?

I've seen you FT the 100r a couple times, so I look forward to your smart ass remark about how you don't worry about the variance since you WAFFLECRUSH both events.

But seriously shaun, a little honest input would be great. Like most ppl here I respect your play and your thoughts on most every poker related topic.

My screen name is HerschelWalker on Bodog.

I think the 100 would have lower variance for a good player, but this is my off the cuff opinion based mainly on the significant difference in the number of entrants. I do think the difference in quality of play is extreme.

100r changes too much day to day general rule of thumb the biggest and the smallest fields are the softest

I think there should b much lower variance in an 80-100 entry tourney with better structure( i assume ) than in its 400-500 entry counter part. But u should deff have a higher ROI in the smaller buyin tourney and maybe even a higher profit per tourney do to the much weaker field. Is it correct to assume that if 1 tourney has 4x the entries as another, it should take 4x the number of games to find ur true ROI in the larger field?

I prefer the larger fields, lots of weaker players in them, more chance to accumulate chips early on, smaller variance due to smaller buyin i love there small buyin guaranteed tourneys on there: $2,500 for $7.50, $3,000 for $7.50 & $5,000 for $11, more bang for your buck IMO.

As you seem to recognize, the fields in these two events are vastly different. Early in the 20k there's a reasonable chance of being doubled up by an idiot, and a reasonable chance of being busted when the idiot sucks out on you. High variance, good EV.

In the 10K this doesn't really happen, except when Deanna1969 is at your table. There're a few other dead money players too, but for the most part this is a remarkably tough field for such low stakes. Careful play predominates; at the first break you could have 90%+ of the field left, even with the lower starting stacks (2500 versus 3000, same blind structure -- by way of explanation to those who don't play on Bodog, the 20k is a double stack). Thus you'll see lower variance, but also lower EV unless you're comfortable playing against TAGs.

Another factor to consider is bubble play. In the 10k the money bubble is before the FT, and the bubble factor is pretty high, because 9th is worth 3.5 buyins and the prizes increase slowly after that. In the 20k the money starts at four tables and is much less important because the payout structure is smoother. If you're skilled at bubble play, the 10k is better.

The final tables will have similar compositions -- for the most part it's the same people.

Now, just promise to stay out of my way...

haha.

What time do these two games go on?

you can easily have a better roi in the 20 thats for sure. It depends alot on how you play those tournies as well.

He's talking about 2 10k's not a 20k. I think your getting confused with the
8:30 44$ hes talking about the 100$ 10k and the 20 10k thats starts some time late.

^^ Oops, correct. Bodog has several 10k guarantees. Same logic applies, pretty much: the 100+9 versus whatever else.