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It's very unprofessional to make claims that you clearly aren't in a position to make. It's cool that you discuss this with your staff and take it seriously and all, but why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you say dumb crap like this?

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08-27-2010 , 06:23 PM

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kleath

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Originally Posted by gboro

its pretty serious deeb but i believe you still owe us some sort of dramabomb explosion for that buildup. you got anything in the back pocket?

lol you're so saulinwithdabest

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08-27-2010 , 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pdparv

Hey guys, Matthew Parvis here. I run the PokerNews live reporting teams and I just wanted to chime in for a moment. I can assure all the players that our live reporting staff has never been involved with altering the integrity of the game. It is discussed in all of our discussions and training of staff.

If one our reporters said something to a player about seeing their cards, it was surely done with the players protection in mind.

I feel confident that if there was any problems with poker media at any events, it was certainly not with our team.

The reporter in question appeared to have my best interests at heart fwiw.

As stated, simply training your staff will likely have no bearing on whether they will help people cheat.

However, all the pokernews staff that Ive met have been both competent and a joy to work around/party with. Anyone who is not in love with gloria balding upon meeting her needs their sexuality tested.

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08-27-2010 , 07:28 PM

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threatnasty

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Originally Posted by vtlaxer09

I honestly have no idea how you passed 4th grade.

like i said - it's gotta be an act

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08-27-2010 , 08:20 PM

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shipontilt

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i believed the hype and it didn't deliver

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08-27-2010 , 09:18 PM

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w33ktight

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Something I noticed that was really strange:

During the WSOP main I was seated next to a very strong _________(Insert non American country) player. He was on my left. If this wasn't bad enough, his media team was pretty much at all times hovering around the table. This particular countries media team consisted of two guys with big video cameras and a guy with a pen and pad. At all times, even during hands sometimes they were chatting(obviously, not using English), and clearly getting shots of said players hole cards. It seemed like every time we were involved in a pot said media team would at some point get behind us and do whatever they were doing. One time, in a massive pot, I didn't realize it but one of these guys with a camera was standing RIGHT behind me the entire time. After the hand I leaned back in my chair and nearly smacked my head into the guys camera.

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08-27-2010 , 09:25 PM

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ShowUthExit

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DSC not really the same with new avatar iyam

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08-27-2010 , 09:33 PM

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I reallllly doubt its pokernews. After all Shaun F Deeb is dating a Pokernews reporter!

edit: at least I assume they are still together, maybe a bad assumption?

double edit: i think this is sort of relevant to the thread, not trying to step on anyones toes.

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08-27-2010 , 09:43 PM

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deeb trying to take down the competition for his GF.

such a great guy.

maybe they broke up and she told him about this and now he is using this info to get back at her.

dramabomb still possible...?

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08-27-2010 , 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kk405

good post Deeb...and I for one will try to learn the Dario Minieri method of looking at my hole cards

For those interested...

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Originally Posted by private joker

Yeah, so basically you make a circle with your right thumb and forefinger, like you're going to aim a pool cue through it. Use the circle as a "window" to see the corners of the cards. Hold the cards with your left hand and tilt them up so the corners show through your "window" and then basically nobody -- even nobody sweating you, let alone anyone to your right or left at the table -- can see the cards if you do it right.

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08-27-2010 , 09:56 PM

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In a hand I wasn't involved in a few weeks ago I saw charder's cards when he looked back at them. He flopped huge, obviously.

Edit: Also I think the rules of physics make it virtually impossible for you to shield your cards from someone behind you trying to look at them.

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08-27-2010 , 10:44 PM

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the rail was 2 feet behind me on day 4 of the main event this year, needless to say my attempts at looking at my hole cards were fairly exaggerated.

so id straighten my back, lean way over the table, and peel super tight. kinda like private joker cept if put my left thumb where his right index finger was, with my entire body shielding sight from people behind me on account of leaning over and having a hoodie.

id also look below my shades cuz they were reflective... just in case lol.

in b4 "cool story bro"

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08-27-2010 , 10:47 PM

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Todd Terry

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Was that the first time you went that deep in the Main Event?

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08-28-2010 , 12:00 AM

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troll_itt

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The "superusers" are easy to spot. They have the black caps with the gold lettering

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08-28-2010 , 01:34 AM

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Marcos Sketch

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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun

in a related topic, dont people with internet on their phones have an advantage over people without access to live updates during big mtts?
for example, say pokernews is reporting during a 10k event and they report shaun deeb just 5 bet shoved 95o and sucked out.
he gets moved to a new table where two old live nits are sitting. one has access to pokernews and one does not. not only does the person with the internet on his phone have extra info, he can spend time between hands looking up more info about players.
is that a case to get phones banned from tables?

I guess not. Shame on those ones who don't have Internet. It's not as if it's a privilege to some, It's available for everyone.

Btw, didn't they ban headphones this year on WSOP post-ITM to avoid hi-tech communication?

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08-28-2010 , 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcos Sketch

I guess not. Shame on those ones who don't have Internet. It's not as if it's a privilege to some, It's available for everyone.

Btw, didn't they ban headphones this year on WSOP post-ITM to avoid hi-tech communication?

pretty sure this is a standard rule at live mtts everywhere.

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08-28-2010 , 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zima421

pretty sure this is a standard rule at live mtts everywhere.

butnahhh

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08-28-2010 , 01:56 AM

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live pro's correcting

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08-28-2010 , 02:14 AM

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yea def not although i think the rule is great, the deeper you get itm in a wsop the hollywooding gets ridic, everyone wants that spotlight imo, and its nice to not have the constant pulling off headphones to ask stack and raise size questions and stuff

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08-28-2010 , 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DeebSpellcheck

Before I begin, let me preface this post by saying that much of what I'm about to say is based on both here-say and my own logical conclusions drawn from information I have obtained from others, and discovered myself.
In addition, please note that I will be leaving out names and locations of the below incident for a plethora of reasons. Please note that HOW they cheated is more important than WHO they are or WHERE they did it. Please don't ask me further queries in regards to where this occurred. Instead, let's please focus on what we can do as a community to protect ourselves. I have spoken to many tournament directors about this particular situation, how it could have been handled and prevented, and what steps we can take to prevent something similar from happening in the future. My intentions in making this post are not selfish, and I sincerely hope that some good can come out a such a poor situation, and that we as a community can grow stronger in protecting ourselves moving into the future.

In the past few months, there have been some strong rumors circulating that there might be something underhanded occurring on the European Poker Tour. The rumor I wish to address and confirm, is the new media people peering over player's shoulders to look at other's hole cards. At first, I was unsure what was being done with this info, but it was mentioned to another media outlet during the event; they have covered many events in recent months. It appalls me that NO player noticed what was going on, and that it was able to to endure for so many events.

As if that isn't horrible enough, the aspect of this that really perturbs me is that I personally feel the media members were aiding player(s) in the event, basically enabling them to become live superusers. It causes me nothing but the utmost anxiety that something of this enormity could happen so easily without any kind of real punishment to the perpetrator, while directly inflicting harm on player security.

As a community, we need to band together and reach out to tournament staffs around the world. We need to be ensured that the integrity of the tours are protected. This could easily be done by stepping up security. Simple solutions include: adding more security (rope off areas to media members), make the requirements stricter to get media credentials, , installing more cameras, and hiring more floor staff. It's truly a travesty that there were so few cameras, and that the tournament director could show no evidence of what was observed. The media people involved were apprehended, and exiled from the event. Unfortunately, the information discovered in this event didn't spread to the rest of the world at quite a fast enough pace. There should be full disclosure of information among the primary 10-20 tournament directors around the world, perhaps an email list so that they can have correspondence and keep a blacklist of known cheaters, or have a "watch list".

Moving forward, it is my sincere hope that as players we can be a lot more alert of the things going on around us. It's very easy to be cheated without realizing it, especially with the varying procedures from country to country. Watch every dealer, stick around your table for the color-up. Your best line of defense at the table are your own two eyes, use them.

Cheating scandals have not pervaded the live scene as they have online, but there is too great a sum of money on the line not to take a miniscule amount of time to set up a defense for yourself, your money, those around you, and the integrity of poker as a whole.

If you see something out of line, don't be afraid to speak up to the floor, if they can't help you, ask for the head floor. It is much better to be safe than sorry. It is your job to handle the poker playing aspect of the tournament, while it's their job to handle the logistical side of it. So let them do what we pay them rake for.

Though there were obviously far-reaching negative impacts of this particular incident, I think that something positive is finally happening. Venues are making their events more secure, and as players we are building more of a watch-dog society. But we can't stop here. As players, we need to lobby the sites to offer better security options, even if it hurts their bottom line.

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