[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
01-14-2016
, 07:21 PM
01-15-2016
, 10:38 AM
01-15-2016
, 01:14 PM
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The offpeak $33[1R1A] at 04:30 (PT)/13:30 (CET) with a $2k guarantee is a joke!
This really needs improvement esp cos this timeslot has so few ms or hs tourneys anyway and there's zero chance this gets attention from any rec player with such a tiny guarantee at this buyin. I'd suggest making this at least a 33+R $5k guarantee with 10 min lvls and 12 min lvls post-addon but I'm pretty open-minded here.
This really needs improvement esp cos this timeslot has so few ms or hs tourneys anyway and there's zero chance this gets attention from any rec player with such a tiny guarantee at this buyin. I'd suggest making this at least a 33+R $5k guarantee with 10 min lvls and 12 min lvls post-addon but I'm pretty open-minded here.
You can feel free to and you may receive more peer feedback, but Keith will forward the request to this department. I've discussed it with the team and we feel that the live events tab is sufficient.
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The satellites to the $55 Ante-Up buy In are currently nlh / hypers ( unless changed since my last post ) I am suggesting to change them to regular or turbo Ante-Up satellites. An Ante-Up Satellite to get into an Ante-Up Game. If that is not possible a change from hyper to turbo nlh.
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* Indeed, I loved the Stud and Draw week. I've some suggestions in case you guys come up with a mixed game/draw week promotion in the future:
1) When you ask us to complete challenge(s), please don't give us all-in shootout freeroll tickets but instead give us instant cash rewards.
2) Double the guarantees of all mixed game mtts during the promotion.
3) Difficult challenges like win 2 or dailies/weeklies in a day like I already mentioned before, would be so nice.
4) Ring game offerings(Please forward this to Ring games manager): NL 2-7 SD has min stakes of $0.25/$0.50 - not everybody can afford to play this. You could have added $0.05/$0.10 during the promotion and if they do well, continue offering that stake. Also if possible make them antes.
* Some of the dailies/weeklies are doing decent. Why turn all daily 27s/weeklys 82/215 non red just because of 3-4 variants are not doing well? It would harm them more since that would mean there will be no more sats, no 5k starting stack since they wont be special/red. See if time slot shuffling helps the struggling ones before you do anything else.
* Free ideas like
1) Mentioning 1st prize along with gtd prizepool in these low field daily 27s/weekly 82s. Experiment this in 8game/horse. You have nothing to lose.
2) Change their tourney names. Daily Stud, Daily Badugi, Daily NL 2-7 Single Draw sounds so obvious/boring. Have them named something interesting like All-rounder 8 game, Studious Stud, Breaking Badugi, Draw me Lo, Draw me Hi, Razzamatazz, Game of Limits - HORSE, Know your Limits - Holdem for example.
3) Introduce player badges like - Mixed game Specialist, NL Holdem Specialist, Omaha Specialist - ofcourse this would require development but you wont have to spend as promotion money.
* Mixed game schedule: All I want you is to add 3 tourneys(each from badugi, triple draw, single draw).
Other questions:
1) Will there be red zooms in the future?
$5.1 NLHE Hyper Schedule
2) Any reason why they are so close to each other? Imo 08:30 should go to 09:30(and not 08:45 coz players looking to play 08:30 will play 08:45).
And 22:30 should move to 20:30 or 21:30 to balance the big gap. You could also make one of them PSKO.
1) When you ask us to complete challenge(s), please don't give us all-in shootout freeroll tickets but instead give us instant cash rewards.
2) Double the guarantees of all mixed game mtts during the promotion.
3) Difficult challenges like win 2 or dailies/weeklies in a day like I already mentioned before, would be so nice.
4) Ring game offerings(Please forward this to Ring games manager): NL 2-7 SD has min stakes of $0.25/$0.50 - not everybody can afford to play this. You could have added $0.05/$0.10 during the promotion and if they do well, continue offering that stake. Also if possible make them antes.
* Some of the dailies/weeklies are doing decent. Why turn all daily 27s/weeklys 82/215 non red just because of 3-4 variants are not doing well? It would harm them more since that would mean there will be no more sats, no 5k starting stack since they wont be special/red. See if time slot shuffling helps the struggling ones before you do anything else.
* Free ideas like
1) Mentioning 1st prize along with gtd prizepool in these low field daily 27s/weekly 82s. Experiment this in 8game/horse. You have nothing to lose.
2) Change their tourney names. Daily Stud, Daily Badugi, Daily NL 2-7 Single Draw sounds so obvious/boring. Have them named something interesting like All-rounder 8 game, Studious Stud, Breaking Badugi, Draw me Lo, Draw me Hi, Razzamatazz, Game of Limits - HORSE, Know your Limits - Holdem for example.
3) Introduce player badges like - Mixed game Specialist, NL Holdem Specialist, Omaha Specialist - ofcourse this would require development but you wont have to spend as promotion money.
* Mixed game schedule: All I want you is to add 3 tourneys(each from badugi, triple draw, single draw).
Other questions:
1) Will there be red zooms in the future?
$5.1 NLHE Hyper Schedule
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00:30 1K Gtd, 2 max 01:45 PSKO $4K Gtd, 6 max 02:45 $1.5K Gtd 03:45 $1.5K Gtd, 6 max 07:30 $2.5K Gtd 08:30 $3K Gtd 08:45 $3K Gtd 10:45 $4K Gtd, 6 max 11:30 $4K Gtd 13:30 $5K Gtd 14:30 $5K Gtd 16:30 $7K Gtd 17:30 $5K Gtd 22:30 $2.5K Gtd 22:45 $2K Gtd 23:15 $1.5K Gtd, 6 max 23:45 $1.5K Gtd
And 22:30 should move to 20:30 or 21:30 to balance the big gap. You could also make one of them PSKO.
The red mixed games just do not perform well enough to warrant their status as red tournaments, especially when I'm considering some changes to how majors look in the lobby in the future. The MTT satellites do not perform well either, so I don't think their already small prize pools are dependent on their current red status.
Should the $27 Daily FL Hold'em look the same as the Sunday Million in the lobby?
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I agree with anuj22, mixed games didnt have much support in the past, weve got the Dailys and the Draw Week.. But seriously.. I dont know how many times it was mentioned, that we need a display for the number of drawn cards on the table and not in the chat..
That is the main reason why most players dont add these mtts to their multitable sessions, because It takes too much time to scroll in chat and read there how many cards someone traded. Also you should display for games like Razz, Stud, Stud H/L which cards got discarded by other players. Atm when I one tabling these games I do screens to remember how many of my outs got already removed etc.. Which totally sucks.
U cant tell me that it would be a hard thing to implement these stuff. Ive had conversations to many players on skype who played mixed games in the past and nearly all of them didnt want to play them because of these 2 things.
Furthermore we need a dynamic blindstructure for Mixed games and ~4-5 additional blind levels. Another thing is, that Limit Hold em is completely killing Horse and 8 game in the late stage. Limit Hold em has the same average amount of Big Blinds like all the 10.20 $ Hyper Turbo Limit Hold em MTTs have thats why all the regs timing out their timebank during that game on FTs.
It always feels like:
Razz - turbo
Stud - turbo
Stud H/L - turbo
Limit Hold em - Hyper Turbo
Limit Omaha H/L - Hyper Turbo
In addition to that I am the same opinion like anuj22 we def. need something special for mixed games like a Leaderboard or another permanent promo.
Well till yet it felt like talking into a wall when complaining about mixed games.. This will be the last time I complain about these things, because its just obv. that u could easily increase the traffic of all these games with easy changes and you haven`t done anything yet. If you just look at for example 5 Card Draw MTTs you would see how much potential these games have.. each MTT has arround 100 runners as well as Single Draw has a lot of potential.
In Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Argentinia for example 5 Card Draw, Tripple Draw and Single Draw enjoy a high status, because many fun players there play these games instead of NL Hold em with their friends.
That is the main reason why most players dont add these mtts to their multitable sessions, because It takes too much time to scroll in chat and read there how many cards someone traded. Also you should display for games like Razz, Stud, Stud H/L which cards got discarded by other players. Atm when I one tabling these games I do screens to remember how many of my outs got already removed etc.. Which totally sucks.
U cant tell me that it would be a hard thing to implement these stuff. Ive had conversations to many players on skype who played mixed games in the past and nearly all of them didnt want to play them because of these 2 things.
Furthermore we need a dynamic blindstructure for Mixed games and ~4-5 additional blind levels. Another thing is, that Limit Hold em is completely killing Horse and 8 game in the late stage. Limit Hold em has the same average amount of Big Blinds like all the 10.20 $ Hyper Turbo Limit Hold em MTTs have thats why all the regs timing out their timebank during that game on FTs.
It always feels like:
Razz - turbo
Stud - turbo
Stud H/L - turbo
Limit Hold em - Hyper Turbo
Limit Omaha H/L - Hyper Turbo
In addition to that I am the same opinion like anuj22 we def. need something special for mixed games like a Leaderboard or another permanent promo.
Well till yet it felt like talking into a wall when complaining about mixed games.. This will be the last time I complain about these things, because its just obv. that u could easily increase the traffic of all these games with easy changes and you haven`t done anything yet. If you just look at for example 5 Card Draw MTTs you would see how much potential these games have.. each MTT has arround 100 runners as well as Single Draw has a lot of potential.
In Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Argentinia for example 5 Card Draw, Tripple Draw and Single Draw enjoy a high status, because many fun players there play these games instead of NL Hold em with their friends.
Overall, the popularity of these games is what hurts their participation. I just need to do better with what we have!
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ya i think sko is a perfect replacement for that tourney... the only ones are 320 (one day a week), 22 and 10.50... and none are turbo and i think skos would play better as a turbo anywyas... the participation would increase a lot in that slot'
if that doesnt happen, making the 55t 6m later in the day a sko would work really well too
if that doesnt happen, making the 55t 6m later in the day a sko would work really well too
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@S500 I think thats a great idea, tourney takes forever as is and i skip it often (like many others) for just this reason
Very much agree something should be done with that 55t reentry, dont think I've played that or the 54tko in quite a long time
Edit: Also still think there needs to be something done with the timeslot post B162. I'm not really sure what (havent thought about it in a while either) but I've literally not played past the B162 yet this yr and I've played more games than anyone this yr on stars at $15+ stakes and am looking for a reason to continue loading, but haven't found one yet apparently
Very much agree something should be done with that 55t reentry, dont think I've played that or the 54tko in quite a long time
Edit: Also still think there needs to be something done with the timeslot post B162. I'm not really sure what (havent thought about it in a while either) but I've literally not played past the B162 yet this yr and I've played more games than anyone this yr on stars at $15+ stakes and am looking for a reason to continue loading, but haven't found one yet apparently
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yes, please!
I really like the idea of adding StarsCoin tourneys. 1000, 2500, 5000 buyins would be fantastic and I think recreational players would really enjoy them. Run them on Saturdays please
Players could just convert the coins into cash and register the Big55, or whatever, but StarsCoins tourneys would feel more like freerolls with less nerves for people playing games bigger than their ABI
I really like the idea of adding StarsCoin tourneys. 1000, 2500, 5000 buyins would be fantastic and I think recreational players would really enjoy them. Run them on Saturdays please
Players could just convert the coins into cash and register the Big55, or whatever, but StarsCoins tourneys would feel more like freerolls with less nerves for people playing games bigger than their ABI
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- Extend late reg 320 wednes from 2h15 to 3h? You can reg bigs till 125/250, why not this one?
- What also was a nice promotion; was the double vision 6max versions. SWU/SM/SS ect all had a 6max pairing.
- And agreed, 44t, 55t, 33t, 54ko can have a touchup. I don't care what. Slap PKO on it if that's what it takes to get some fish in it.
- What also was a nice promotion; was the double vision 6max versions. SWU/SM/SS ect all had a 6max pairing.
- And agreed, 44t, 55t, 33t, 54ko can have a touchup. I don't care what. Slap PKO on it if that's what it takes to get some fish in it.
The Double Vision 6-max tournaments were one of our experiments with regards to 6-max versus 9-max. It proved to us that 9-max is more popular.
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Certainly as a lower stakes player the idea of a regular Sunday structure like the minis that you ran over Christmas is very appealing.
I also disagree that running them on a weekly basis would dilute the prize pools. Think there are more than enough people interested in playing 11-22 dollar buyins to make the 10% of the Sunday major prize pools.
This is something that has to happen!!!
I also disagree that running them on a weekly basis would dilute the prize pools. Think there are more than enough people interested in playing 11-22 dollar buyins to make the 10% of the Sunday major prize pools.
This is something that has to happen!!!
Noted, but I think the player base tends to disagree with you here.
I was considering this before the idea to make them re-entry. Any feedback?
Lastly, as I said before, I'll be around this weekend in case there is lag, but we anticipate that the situation should be much improved. If it is not, I'll shift start times where appropriate.
01-15-2016
, 01:37 PM
01-15-2016
, 01:50 PM
I definitely think the $60 90mans should be PKO, though. It will encourage lower buying players to jump in the game, and it falls right in line with the other 90man PKO sngs.
01-15-2016
, 02:00 PM
01-15-2016
, 02:19 PM
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Sad to hear that the plan is to make them non-red. I feel they weren't given much of a chance to suceed as they were arbitrarily placed in the timeslot of the former weekend $82/$215 and not heavily promoted (Stud Week and Draw week were the instances they were promoted).
Rather than moving them around to include the Asian/Oceanic timezone, they were kept in their timeslots and guarantees just kept decreasing over time.
If these were made non-Red, they will continue to die a slow death.
Leveraging the existing tournaments into the gotw promotion that FTP had would be a great way to grow these games.
There definitely needs to be a balance, but comparing any tournament to the Sunday Million isn't going to be a fair one.
If the Sunday Million is the type of tournaments that should be red, then there shouldnt be more than 20 total red tournaments in an entire week.
Rather than moving them around to include the Asian/Oceanic timezone, they were kept in their timeslots and guarantees just kept decreasing over time.
If these were made non-Red, they will continue to die a slow death.
Leveraging the existing tournaments into the gotw promotion that FTP had would be a great way to grow these games.
If the Sunday Million is the type of tournaments that should be red, then there shouldnt be more than 20 total red tournaments in an entire week.
Infact if you don't want them to be red anymore, just dont make them non-red like the others which only display gtd prizepool under its name, let them still be special but give them new color or new names like I mentioned earlier. Also keep the sats pleaseee.
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01-15-2016
, 05:04 PM
01-15-2016
, 06:10 PM
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Please consider adding more NLO8 hyper mtts as well as a weekly High stakes NLO8 hyper MTT. NLO8 hypers are the most popular non holdem sng format and anyone who plays NLO8 hyper sngs would also be interested in playing more NLO8 hyper mtts.
Also from 10 05 ET to 12 05 ET the only O8 mtts scheduled during this time are a 7.5 NLO8 turbo PKO and a 7.5 NLO8 hyper. Please add something else for O8 players during this time. My suggestion would be an 82 NLO8 hyper at 10 35 ET and a 27 NLO8 hyper/turbo PKO at 11 05 ET
Also from 10 05 ET to 12 05 ET the only O8 mtts scheduled during this time are a 7.5 NLO8 turbo PKO and a 7.5 NLO8 hyper. Please add something else for O8 players during this time. My suggestion would be an 82 NLO8 hyper at 10 35 ET and a 27 NLO8 hyper/turbo PKO at 11 05 ET
Don't understand the silence since Bryan has added the 82 nlo8 hypers. They are doing ok, especially the psko, their gtd have been increased several times. It would be such a risk-free move too add more both higher and lower stakes.
Just compare the numbers of the $27 nlo8 psko(ET 13:05) and the $27 nlo8 hyper(ET 15:35). the psko regular had 191, while the hyper 141 runners today and given the popularity of psko i am quite sure that the hyper making it psko would beat the regular one.
You have to approach nlo8 differently than other non holdem games or even nlh, as its such a perfect type for making it hyper.
Thats why you see thouasands of nlo8 hyper sngs running daily, while zero nlo8 regular sngs going. People enjoy playing nlo8 hypers and making it psko its one of the most entartaining type of mtts on your site, and its not just me who saying this, jcarver said that several times on his twitch when he played the $82 nlo8 psko hyper mtt, while he is obviously not playing o8 regularly if he plays at all.
So why not give more fun mtts to the people?
01-15-2016
, 06:27 PM
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