Know you've been rewriting pay tables and whatnot, 215 bounty builder today 454 runners and only 27 paid (246.75 mincash), was this intentional?

Edit: @ Dberglin point...would allow for sats to be run longer into the target event as well, and obv rec players love starting w more chips/bbs

was a bit disappointed when i saw your first version for the structure, PLEASE IMPROVE! There isnt much to look forward to anymore while playing on your site so we appreciate if you could at least give us amazing structures every time in special main events. and wouldnt mind this being 2day then

yes, hopefully stars will revise all their structures (5k to bigs etc).
would at least be a positive news here and there, i m sure we can expect that in "early december"

Thats because today is saturday and bounties are 75%. If it had a regular bounty builder payout, it would have paid 54 places and the min cash would have been approx $98

This new payout structure is a complete bull****!
Awesome to finish 330 from 5k players in Big 8 and get 13.81$. NOT!

Losing regs,yes,nobody wants winning regs,they never deposit and withdrawing tons of money. 888 even eliminated rakeback to attract as little winning/break even players as possible.

Yeah, this week i got 3xx in b11 w itm in 10xx players, i got 17$. This piss of regs AND RECs much more than everything stars said making this payout a good thing. I pretty sure that no one want to play that long and go "this far" for not even doubling their money.

+1 to bigger startstacks @ Bigs,Hots and 1ks.
Would be nice to get at least a better structure then regular Games @ Bigs Hots.
Make 7min Blinds @Hots and 10k start, that would make them at least "special", right now the only special is the label
Same for Bigs 10k Start and longer levels.

I dont think that is a must to re-structure The bigs and The hots. I think there should be a change on Deep stacks Tournaments mainly the 22 Deep Stack and 55 Deep Stack. Its better to have a start stack of 5000 chips in both or make similar structure like pokerstars.fr (10000 chips but higher starting blinds ).

Going to voice my opinion on the change in regards to rebuys getting hit hard.
Speaking honestly this blow isn't so bad for low stake regular MTT rebuys... I mean it's not good but in reality if the structure is decent a rebuy is much like a re-entry.

This blow is designed to hurt satellite players. The reason for this is they've looked at the numbers and they've come to the conclusion that far too much money is being cashed out via $T money grinders playing the 3x's. I anticipated this and asked Luke to PM me about 6 months ago if they planned to change policy. I had no doubt that change was coming and I was open to offer solutions to the problem (from their perspective).

The reality is there is a huge number of Lithuanian and Polish 3x grinders. (who often make up 50% of the entire fields everyday for all sats that finish before the target tourney, 12 hours a day... except Fridays when the Lithuanians take that day off)
And they are winning a lot. This is the reason for this change. Had Pokerstars done a proper security investigation they'd see that a good portion of these stable players are colluding and had they have been banned the winrates wouldn't be so high and therefore the rest of us would have been spared this rake hike. And I'd stake my name to their lack of enforcement.
So here the rest of us honest players have to feel the blunt due to others colluding.

This is an interesting new angle to the rake increases in the rebuys that you just described to us. Mind sharing where you discovered this new info, and how reliable your sources are?

Mttc polish regs colluding

why do you reg a DEEP stack when you want less room to play?
they are perfect the way they are!

Yep, them Poland players are ruining the fun for everyone

i disagree on a few points here.

first of, if they wanted to hurt satellite players there are other ways to do, the most simple mentioned many many times to make the seat must-play or even more extreme make all seats paid as tickets.
there, no $T money grinders.
but stars still wants to get all the rake from all the sats grinding.

as for the group of players, like you said if they wanted them out they could do a proper security check and ban whoever was found to collude.
actually with this change, the only players that are more likely to 'survive' are these groups (whether they are colluding or a stable or just studying together sharing hh/ranges etc i don't know)
since they'll be the ones with bigger roi's that can stand the 8x rake hit.

lastly, this change isn't going to hit just the sats grinders. it's going to hit all rebuy and hyper sats.
especially the 2xT/3xTs which by the way should be about 40% (luke feel free to correct this number) of all mtt-sat offerings, excluding hypers.
and let's not forget the recently introduced and quite successful 1r1a hypers (another super rake boost here too, 2.5x for hypers plus the rebuy+addon rake).
(the other recent satellites change with the annoying mincashes doesn't help either-nobody wants to mincash to get their buy-in or even less back).

these sats are going to die, or at the very least take a massive hit, and it's quite obvious that their targets will get a massive hit as well, esp the hs reds.

are they really that short-sighted and stupid to not see that or are they just happy to kill their mtt's schedule
(so 'customers'-as we are viewed- go and play other stuff from SpinNgos to casino games and sportsbetting)
both scenarios viable imo and not sure which one is worse.

ps. summer traffic is going doooowwwnnn

At first I thought maybe Stars have had a change of heart when I seen the $5.10 Hypers announced in the lobby still $5.10.

Then I noticed they are no longer $5 + $0.10 and instead are now $4.86 + $0.24

Congrats on trying to be scummy but shame it didn't work though! Consider myself sitting out of all future $5.10s while you charge this absurd amount of rake.

Yeah that makes it that much worse, at least last time I saw 5.10 change into 5.25$ and was like "wait a second". But now lots of people are still going to register initially that don't realise anything changed/forget for a second etc because the total buyin is the same. I'm ok with them charging whatever they want, I'll just take my business elsewhere if I disagree with the price. But making an effort so that players won't notice is just angle shooting. 5$ total price makes sense (4.73+0.27 or whatever). 5$+rake makes sense. This price only makes sense if they're trying to trick people into registering.

So then the question is, will you be content simply complaining about this. Or will we learn to discuss solutions instead?

Tomorrow will you and OMGclay still spend your forum time complaining and laughing in disgust...or perhaps we might levate ideas from those that are at least attempting to construct solutions?

I am asking you because your are a mod, and because you ever expressed some "like thinking" to me before.

two solutions are mentioned in his post, $5 total buyin or $5+rake are both much more honest ways of displaying the rake.

no need to act like a dick to the people who are consistently making the posts with the best actual content.

why not sats to the 27 tpsko sunday edition ?

just curious but has "the new schedule" been released or announced when it would be?

please reduce the gtds, it's over 15 degrees celsius outside today and it looks like that spring has come already

If my post comes across as complaining then I'm sorry, that was not the intent. I was just worried that someone might register a tournament on march 27th and 28th thinking it's the same thing, finding out the price changed significantly and being upset over it. Both unnecessarily giving a player a bad experience and damaging pokerstars' image to that player. My opinion towards the actual change is reasonably neutral, they gotta do what they gotta do. I don't think it's a good long-term strategy and I might advise them in topics like these that it's a bad move, but I certainly don't spend all day complaining about it. I'll take my business elsewhere from the tournaments that I think are no longer worth playing, be that other sites or a different tournament on pokerstars. If enough other player do this also, they will have to reverse their mistake, if enough players keep playing it might've been the right move to increase the rake.

But whatever happens, I have no ill will against any pokerstars employee or the company as a whole. If I ever post something not so constructive, well, shucks, I'm just a person I did offer solutions to the issue I raised in the same post this time though.

I don't understand your last sentence. But the fact that I'm a mod has no influence on the way I post.

The reality is the entire ps business model is setup this way. Pointing these things out is, like I pointed out before, is n artifact from a different time when the players/customers were respected. We need to move on, and at least have ONE thread dedicated to actually discussing constructive solutions.

I'm calling you a hypocrite for this.



Yes your post came across to me as complaining. And so does OMGClay dolls and everyone elses. I point out a couple of reputable and influencial/respected posters are doing this.

To be clear, I believe a business should always seek to make the most profits, but I also think the customers purpose in this regard is to keep the company's moral's in check (do we understand the relationship I paint?)

But to be clearer, I certainly don't want to open ANOTHER debate in ANOTHER thread like all the other 30 or so threads, that are littered with communal complaining, and people suggesting that integrity is something only a company should be scrutinized for, and that somehow the employees can be separate from the policies they are enacting and espousing (ie Dnegs definition of integrity all the players seem to have bought)

You offered solutions that are effectively complaints. Or in other words. There is no one listening, and there is no place for such policy that goes against the current agenda. I offered a solution that might change this futile fatal negotiation completely.

The box is a box, let's think and have dialogue outside it.

It means you have expressed agreement with me before. And it seems at least some of our thinking is in line.

Thx!

Oh great, the guy who could start an argument in an empty room is here now.

No. I am not likely to every "argue" (in the negative sense of the wrod) with Soepgroente.

These are the posters you are referring to, that are on trial with the community for insincere disruptive devil's advocate behavior: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-here-1579153/

I am calling for the players to move beyond simple complaining and accusations and begin to collectively start to levate attempts and endeavors that are designed for positive change.

At this point, ANY suggestions no matter how small. But I don't really count telling stars to stop deceiving players as a helpful suggestions (even if its legit!)