We shouldn't forget that PartyPoker just increased GTD's and is not run by an insider-trading greaseball.

Yeah, i've only added party since a couple of months, but i've recommended so many people already. They're really trying. And a rep @ 2+2 who gets things done.

plus one to party...... someone from poker must be talking to them cus they are actually being spot on with thier adjustments

888 is also great obviously except for their horrible software, not sure what's taking so long for overhaul, they should really spot the business opportunity here, then they and party will have pretty much everything to take away a huge chunk of players from stars

TY luke for the quick response i am blind

On another subject tho,

Can you please add a $27 hyper deep sat to both PLO and PLO8 $530s like we have to the $215 Weeklies.

Also the $82 hyper NLO8 pko is one of the most popular Mtts, any chance u can make a $27 version too please or add another $82 one or both if you really want

And as the $55 PLO8 doesn't barely run can you please just listen to what everyone wants and just make it an Omania or a $55 PKO like the PLO version. Slap a $1k gtd on it and i assume it will be 3-5k by the end of the week.

If this is true can we have the 55 1r1a which was running on Sundays couple of years ago ? (somewhere before kickoff time if I am not mistaken)

Edit: Also Luke I would be happy if we receive a chance for a reasonable discussion over the new payouts. New structure has some both positive and negative aspects. It is in both stars and players interest to be revised.

that 55r is still there, it just isn't red.

how bout some PLO spins?

Also how about an MTT spin and go? Imagine the excitement there would be if 1000 players registered for an undetermined prizepool in say a $1 spin and go MTT. Normally the prizepool would be around $900-950, but with a spin and go MTT the prizepool could be anywhere between say $500 and $1M! It's just a thought, but I genuinely think I might be onto something as it would create a lot of excitement amongst recreational poker players (the lifeblood of the poker economy). The whole concept of being able to generate enormous prizepools in an MTT from a tiny buy-in would be attractive to a lot of players, so I think it's an innovative and exciting option for Stars to incorporate into their future MTT offering.

Actually I think this is a pretty interesting idea. But not if they rake it too high, which is very possible given what they've done to regular spins.

Also your idea has some limitations. For instance, in a spin and go there is a fixed number of entries and hence a fixed distribution of undetermined prizepools but in a regular MTT the prizepool depends on the number of entries. So in your projected "MTT spin and go" how would you go about adjusting the distribution of undetermined prizepools for the tournament based on the number of entries?

the variance in this would be ridiculous

Did everyone just hit the stupid tree today or something. Yep spin and go mtts that's just what we need pfffff

Yea that's the catch; obviously they would be a very high variance game format which would put off a lot of regs. But at the same time I think they would go down extremely well with the recreational player base and would be very fun to play, with the potential for prize pools to be bigger than they have ever been before in any game format.

I don't know exactly how they could achieve this, but here's a suggestion. Say for my $1 MTT spin example, if there's 1000 entries I said prizes could range between $500 and $1M. Well let's suppose instead there's more than 1000 entries. Then this range stated above could be the fixed range of prizepools determined by the spin of the wheel (acting as the "guarantee", so "win a share of up to $1M GTD", with $500 GTD as the minimum). And then any leftover prize money from any extra entries that crack the guarantee (in this case, it means any over 1000 entries) can be added to a separate "normal" prizepool that will then be added to whatever prizepool the spin wheel lands on. So for instance, suppose there are 1500 entries in my $1 MTT spin, and the spin lands on $1000, and 8% of the normal prizepool goes to rake. Then the total prizepool will be $1000 (spin) + $460 (normal - rake) = $1460. Make sense?

But that's just one way they could do it, of course there are probably other (perhaps better) ways, but I'll leave that for them to figure out.

Well multi table sit n gos spin make more sense than mtt spins

You might be right actually. Is there a SNG thread out there as well that I could post my idea in?

Edit: Dw I found it

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, or perhaps addressed elsewhere. If it has already been discussed and I've just missed it in an earlier post then please accept my apologies. But if I haven't missed it then I think Luke needs to answer this before Monday, when the changes become effective



The lobbies for rebuys with the new rake are now visible in the client. In the tournament information box they appear to indicate that each player will only get VPP for their initial buyin. For example, from a 55cubed, the wording is

The webpage linked contains no useful or explanatory information whatsoever, therefore the implication is that players will only get the VPP from their original buyin, but not earn extra VPP for rake paid on rebuys and addons.

Luke, can you confirm what the VPP policy will be with respect to all the extra rake that will be paid?

Because if there isn't even rakeback on the cost of extra bullets then this new policy is even worse for players than I originally thought.

Even if you look at the lobby of re-entry tournaments, it says the same but we still get the extra vpps everytime we re-enter.

I once asked Support if we get extra vpps if we re-enter in a re-entry tournament and they replied

Nah, some ppl like feeding the troll though

(facepalm)

You're correct that this information isn't readily available anywhere nor was it mentioned in the announcement. I apologize for that and I'll mention it to my colleagues next week.

Rake paid on rebuys and add-ons will indeed award VPPs. You can confirm beginning Monday by retrieving a Playing History Audit from

Tools -> History & Stats -> Playing History Audit

They don't want stars regs to join 888

Not sure why, party had a software overhaul and it's good enough now, I never had any problems with it and eith party recent offering I tend to choose them over 888. Plus 888 started improving their schedule mostly gor HS so I think they care about regs/hs guys

structure in the Mount Everest could be better i think. its pretty good already, very similar to s500, with antes from lvl 2 as a plus and 15 min lvls but more lvls, also a plus. but your 2k ME to a series should be more special than the weekly 500. also, field expected is bigger than s500 and even if Mt Everest starts one hour earlier, we can expect it to finish well after s500 which already finishes too late for everybody.

i suggest 2 day-event, 25k starting stack ( gives it a better feel and prestige ), starting with 50/100 no antes and lvl 2 50/100/10 and from there forward your structure.

last week s500 had 1k runners and went on for 13hours. this 2k might easily be longer so i think you need to make it a 2day event.

by my calculations, if it gets 1500 runners ( which is optimistic, but not unrealistic ) and HU finishes when around 20bb effective, then tourney gonna last around 15h.

can confirm. 888 doesn't want stars regs. I was part of that wave of players who were banned from 888 for no reason two years ago. But I think Jeff Goldblum said it best--- "Life, uh, finds a way"

While the schedule is final, I believe we'll be taking a second look at all of the Mountain Series structures. Thanks for the feedback.

Increase startingstacks in the 1ks (Thrill and ST) to 10k. I think it would attract more players, gives the feeling of more room to play!