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Yea thats coz its rigged, only god can determine true probability not some PS employee

PokerStars should run the traditional Heads-up WCOOP tournaments. I really don't want to see any zoom/rush tournament surprise in the schedule.

Heads-up should stay with the same structures. No zoom, no progressive KOs. Just skill is enough. The regs and pros are already hard enough to beat.

That said: stop running this zoom heads-up mtts daily and run the old ones.

Lol,
There are multiple reasons why this is a bad idea.

1. Normal HU none PSKO/Zoom HU Tournaments take ~30 minutes per round which is a total of ~5 hours in a 1024 player HU tournament. In comparison a Zoom Tournament with 1024 players takes ~3 1/2 - 4 hours without all these breaks between every round.

2. A lot less players would play a none psko-zoom format.

3. Maybe the most significant reason are bots. Bots would be able to beat a normal none psko/zoom HU tournament format easily, but its way harder for them to have to beat a full psko hu format.


Just take a look back at how many players normal HU tournaments had. It was a lot less.

Its fine to have normal HU tournaments in the WCOOP/SCOOP etc., but the more popular and better format by far are PSKO Zoom HU tournaments.
Without even having a major tournament tag the $ 16.50 HU PSKO for example reaches a prizepool of ~18-21k on a daily basis.

They shouldnt remove them, its the opposite they should add more of them & also re-brand the $16.50 HU Zoom as a daily major.

Anyone found any sort of schedule for WCOOP? I thought it would be out today as its only 3 weeks away.

Man... at least few traditional HU in the regular schedule, for daily "grind".

Btw more popular doesn't mean is better.

Shakira is no better than Beethoven. Period.

WCOOP and SCOOP are serious competition. And for serious HU tournaments, fast structures and progressive KOs are the worst option.

For daily tournaments i believe you are not wrong. Stars want rake and all, no problem with this way of thinking. But when it comes to some of the great series for online players, HU should be much more respected in the original concept.


Soon we will see some HU tournaments on WSOP for example. And we don't care to wait 30 minutes round to play REAL POKER.

Gambling is for Baccarat players.

stars.es already worst scheduled series in online poker history coming up.
not even one standard freezout with a reasonable buy-in.
might as well not be surprised when rakestars comes up with their wk.o.op schedule

Sat. Spider Hyper with 8 re-entries allowed? Way to ruin another good tourney

Definitely for normal shootouts.This zoom total KO is crazy.It has some advantages like no waitings between rounds and shorter length of the tournament but it has insane variance and there are many things what u can not really influence and which are key to be profitable in them since it is total KO.I had many times where i finished under 10.place out of 1K+ entries and won just few bucks or even in loss.There are just many spots u can not control(not talking about classic stuffs happening in normal format) and with low amounts of tournaments running daily bad run can take forever.It is fun but very stressful for grinding.

I said they are more popular and better. I didnt say they are better because they are more popular.

Its a different format with a higher skillcap than the normal shootouts.
Also it doesnt matter on which position you end up, you need to pick good spots to chase a bounty otherwise you wont win much.
When I first started playing them I also thought their variance would be insanely high, but its the complete opposite. They barely have variance, a 10 BI "downswing" is already very rare. The only real variance they have is at the final table, but even if you dont win a single one of them, you can still beat them with a decent ROI.

On top of that all, I am pretty sure a lot of people who are playing the new format, wouldnt even consider playing the old one (mainly speaking about recs).

Wcoop schedule now available.

https://news.pokerstarsblog.com/en/n...=Not_a_product

Okay. I respect your opinion 100%. I wasn't sure about the popularity issue versus quality before, but now is very clear you were talking about the reasons behind PokerStars actions. So, yes, you are absolutely right. They will work harder to improve recs experience.

And they did it... once again. No problem with it. But we don't have any HU with the traditional structure in the WCOOP schedule, only Zoom/Fast fold. Is a completely diffent poker variant for me, to be honest.

But let's adaptate... once again.



Let's face it, traditional HU and HU Zoom PKO are TOTALLY different games. They are different variants from each other. The only thing in common is the fact that they are practiced at two-player tables.

The dynamics change, the speed changes, the spots change, the technique changes. I am broadly in favor of diversity in general and would be no different in poker.

So for that reason, I think there should be room for different games in the biggest online poker series on earth.

I honestly think mixed games and varied poker modalities are one of the attractions that keeps PokerStars unwavering and segmenting its performance when we talk exclusively about pro-player actions and business reflexion.

For the other rooms, even applying mixed games to their big series, it would still be a challenge to raise traffic and action.

Once again we don't have 7-card stud in this series. But we have Razz and Stud8. I mean... WCOOP is conservative, but is not at the same time. Same thing with HU MTTs.

This is not a negative critic. Is just a point of view.

I'll be playing the series anyway. And is hard to them to create the best series every year. But I hope they can read this thread little bit more, honestly.

I agree that both are completely different ones. But as said before Its hard to imagine that Pokerstars will bring back normal HU MTTs with all the stuff currently going on with bots which can already play on a very high level 1 vs 1. That also might be the reason why there are no normal structure HU MTTs in the WCOOP schedule. Maybe message Luke on the Pokerstars Discord to find out the reason behind their decission.


Luke said at some point in time that he likes to rotate some mixed games out and some in during each WCOOP/SCOOP etc. You wont see a SCOOP/WCOOP etc. with an event for each game type.
I am not a hugh fan of that decission, but thats how it is.

who's Luke?

@Speck CHAMP

Adaptation. All about adaptation. For us and for them.

Friend of Doug Polk i guess.



#loldonkaments.

Lol 10bi rare downswing..I am currently at 60bi downswing.Just how you can make money when everytime you face smaller stacks they fold preflop even if they have 5bb.
It is impossible to be in profit then when it all depends on bounties and you play only bigger stacks even as big stack.Just tell me how you variance free regs do it.Also claiming only real variance is at final tables is wrong coz actually it is only time where it is classic heads up and you are not dependent if small stack will fold their 6bb stack with 76o and then face 5 hands with bigger stacks.It is really frustrating.I am thinking everyday about right strategy since there is no study material for this format.But i am breakeven for 4 months despite beating any format i played in past mainly focused on heads up sngs.

I had someone today who folded in the small blind with a 23 chips stack (3 chips behind and 20 small blind). Stuff like this happens a lot of times to everyone, because most ppl. in these tournaments dont know anything about pot odds and just look at their hand and not at their stack or they are just like "I lost, but before I bust I fold so this guy doesnt get my bounty". But it doesnt matter if these shorts fold or not since its very balanced longterm. If for example such a shortstack folds against you, someone else will get him all in and play for his bounty instead. Imagine you are the other person and the guy folded with his shortstack against someone else before.

Ofc. its super annoying if someone does that, but as said its not that you would win less, you basically win the exact same longterm against short stacks.

Every WCOOP event has 3 levels (low, medium, high) but the main only has low and high ($55 and $5200).. Why isn't there a $530 main event?

Yea it should be in longterm.But most regs have no variance and rarely go on even 100games stretch meanwhile me losing 200games in row and stuff u describe to me happens every tournament + some other ridiculous stuffs but dont want to cry too much in this thread lol.
Just saying how it is.And real"longterm" in these tournaments is quite hard coz its possible to play only around 120 games monthly.Just wonder how all regs do it when many of them have hu sng backround as well and are crushing with "no" variance.It is not like totally different game than classic hu.Yes it requires some other adjustments to stack size of ur opponent and play more loose/ tight depends on stack but is still heads up game.

Consider you might be the fish in this game. Not saying you are, but good regs do not face the swings you are facing.

https://gyazo.com/c1d94125df6078bd6f1951c0db72bb15

is there any way i can get the guaranteed column? if i click the little icon near enrolled, i cant.

Right-click on any of the column headers and it should pop up the options.

Yea maybe i am fish in one of the softest field i ever played and in game i am specialising for many years. I would like to see you in my spots i am facing.No one can know how someone has been running but again i dont want to complain here on bad run.Ofc i am thinking if my strategy is good for this format.But heads up is still heads up.This weird format requires different strategy from classic hu but not like its chess and checkers.

https://gyazo.com/22dd8d3b9080bbda7d20b96675833cfb

yes, its the "little icon" what i told. how can i add the guaranteed column to it?

Million dollars question.