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Old 01-13-2019, 11:04 AM   #12301
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

i dont mind such a top heavy prizepool, fts are icm nitfests. it also always was this way in live tournaments until like 2010.

in progs def not but those tourneys are a double raked abomination already
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:32 PM   #12302
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i dont mind such a top heavy prizepool, fts are icm nitfests. it also always was this way in live tournaments until like 2010.

in progs def not but those tourneys are a double raked abomination already
youre making it sound like the money got moved to the top while in reality the money got moved to the bottom , 12% to first isnt top heavy at all , its a joke and the fact 2nd place gets 6% is bordering on a scam
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:58 PM   #12303
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

ye, 1st lost % and 2-9 lost massive % all given to last 16->19% who wouldn't cash at all in the old structure
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:36 PM   #12304
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ye, 1st lost % and 2-9 lost massive % all given to last 16->19% who wouldn't cash at all in the old structure
Nope ,money was moved to the spots between last 1%-7% ,the money for mincash and next 2-3 payjumps are same .
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:27 PM   #12305
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

I don't understand why first pay jump in Sun Million is like ~80$, then the next payjump is ~50? Payjumps should be progressively bigger as the tourney gets bigger, no? Done trying to assess logic to these decisions. Thread has just become comedy really. Nothing constructive coming out of here.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:58 PM   #12306
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Nope ,money was moved to the spots between last 1%-7% ,the money for mincash and next 2-3 payjumps are same .

You forget about the fact, that instead of 10-12 % = itm its now ~15-20 % itm.
Most of the money which was removed from the FT went to those additional payout spots.

Just take a look at opr or another tracking site to compare the tournament payouts in the past with the current ones.

The biggest fail imo is still the double rake + same weird payout structure for PSKO tournaments. No one wants to play a HU for ~4 times more money than 2nd. I see people making deals almost everywhere because of those stupid payjumps.
& the deal system sucks too btw.

Also stars should do updates more frequently. & weekly promotions (I am not talking about those 10-50 cent value challenges). The main reason why Fortnite is so popular is because they keep their game fresh. They bring new updates every few days. If Pokerstars would do such thing, the traffic on their site would be much higher. But what do we get? Unfold hold em, Power Up Poker, VR Poker, Fusion Poker..., but nothing for tournaments. Only a few new tournaments here and there every few months.

There are so many things stars could do way better, but every good suggestion here gets ignored.

Also why do we still have those random Leaderboards where you cant even win something? Who even cares about them?

In the past few years..

-Battle of the Planets Leaderboards & 50k$ Freeroll was removed
-Monthly / Yearly Leaderboards were removed
-Rake was increased
-Ranks were removed
-Rakeback was absolutly destroyed
-Rake on Rebuys & Add-Ons
-Value of challenges got worse and worse and worse
-Deal system was good and now it sucks
-Weekly & Monthly Rank Freerolls were removed (30k Weekly and 100k Monthly) and were replaced with 5k Freerolls
-Pokerschool 40k$ Leaderboards where 1st got 5k$ was cut to 1st gets 500$.
-15 minute blind structres are almost gone completely
-New unbeatable formats were added (15 minutes tournaments, 3 minutes hyper turbo sngs with >10 % rake)
-Payout structures became a joke
-1 Million $ monthly Turbo Takedown was removed
-Leaderboards prizes for Tournament Series got worse

and the list goes on and on and on..

So many "good" decissions.

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Old 01-13-2019, 09:22 PM   #12307
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

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You forget about the fact, that instead of 10-12 % = itm its now ~15-20 % itm.
Most of the money which was removed from the FT went to those additional payout spots.

Just take a look at opr or another tracking site to compare the tournament payouts in the past with the current ones.

The biggest fail imo is still the double rake + same weird payout structure for PSKO tournaments. No one wants to play a HU for ~4 times more money than 2nd. I see people making deals almost everywhere because of those stupid payjumps.
& the deal system sucks too btw.

Also stars should do updates more frequently. & weekly promotions (I am not talking about those 10-50 cent value challenges). The main reason why Fortnite is so popular is because they keep their game fresh. They bring new updates every few days. If Pokerstars would do such thing, the traffic on their site would be much higher. But what do we get? Unfold hold em, Power Up Poker, VR Poker, Fusion Poker..., but nothing for tournaments. Only a few new tournaments here and there every few months.

There are so many things stars could do way better, but every good suggestion here gets ignored.

Also why do we still have those random Leaderboards where you cant even win something? Who even cares about them?

In the past few years..

-Battle of the Planets Leaderboards & 50k$ Freeroll was removed
-Monthly / Yearly Leaderboards were removed
-Rake was increased
-Ranks were removed
-Rakeback was absolutly destroyed
-Rake on Rebuys & Add-Ons
-Value of challenges got worse and worse and worse
-Deal system was good and now it sucks
-Weekly & Monthly Rank Freerolls were removed (30k Weekly and 100k Monthly) and were replaced with 5k Freerolls
-Pokerschool 40k$ Leaderboards where 1st got 5k$ was cut to 1st gets 500$.
-15 minute blind structres are almost gone completely
-New unbeatable formats were added (15 minutes tournaments, 3 minutes hyper turbo sngs with >10 % rake)
-Payout structures became a joke
-1 Million $ monthly Turbo Takedown was removed
-Leaderboards prizes for Tournament Series got worse

and the list goes on and on and on..

So many "good" decissions.
Please dont say all changes cuz i became mad ....i never played then but i only can dream for such a promotions as a car and so on ,sure will attract more recs .Anyway i withdraw my money from this ****e that it became ,they send me email with private offer for deposit 200$ and get a wheel spin for 30 to 20000$ ofc i make it cuz its free money i guess this is the rakeback or they give me these because im breakeven for over a half year cuz ridicioulus bad beats and the aftermaths after that anway this didnt stop me to withdraw the money again ,thats called variance is mathimatically impossible since i play games with RNG and never had my 80% or 50/50% to not hit so many times in a row what i had over the past half year .
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:43 AM   #12308
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

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-Leaderboards prizes for Tournament Series got worse
I think these leaderboards got removed now
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:41 PM   #12309
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

what happened to the daily warmup..?
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:52 PM   #12310
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

Seriously Luke, what the **** are you even doing??

I just found out that all 3 max Zoom PSKO low-mid stakes MTTs also got that stupid payout structure now including the $ 22 Tripple Threat.

In the old structure the $ 22 Tripple Threat was already close to item at the end of the latereg & had a super top heavy payout structure and you add even more payout spots to make it even more top heavy?

Before (12,2 % paid):


Now (16,2 % paid):


Compared to Sunday (which obviously had more players)
1st gets ~33 % less money
2-3rd ~50 % less money
4-5th ~60 % less money
On sunday 11th got more money than 4th today.

And here you can see how rediculous this change was. The bubble starts less than 3 minutes after latereg ended.

End of late reg (1h 10m):


Start of Bubble (1h 12m 50s):



I mean honestly, do you even review the tournaments before you make a change @ Luke? It was an obvious thing that the Tripple Threat was already too close to the money where stalling itm was almost possible and now stalling is easy. You can latereg it and stall and get itm without a problem...

I am not even including the fact that now 1st gets 3-4 times more money than 2nd and ~5-7 times more money than 3rd.

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Old Yesterday, 04:35 AM   #12311
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

There are Turbo Series from 3-18 February with a very few $11 tournaments and mostly Medium and High. I think that it is nice to have 2 tiers for this Series. Almost always Micro and Small tournaments in the Series are reaching GTDs.
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Old Yesterday, 05:52 AM   #12312
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And here we go again @Luke.

Bubble starts 1 minute before lateregistration was over.




How did you think that this change could be any good? You have a decent sample to review tournaments before changing them and you still end up with such an obvious mistake? Basically everyone who played this tournament from the start lost value.

Id bet you end up decreasing the late-reg by 15 minutes which only results in a smaller prizepool only because you want to force that bad payout structure instead of keeping the old one where obviously stars would make more money since the field would be bigger.

You just blindly add those new payout structures to tournaments.. Please quit your job and let someone else do your work its getting more and more rediculous.
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Old Yesterday, 08:27 AM   #12313
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Doubt luke is still in here
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Old Yesterday, 10:37 AM   #12314
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Who is Luke ?
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Old Yesterday, 01:33 PM   #12315
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Who is Luke ?
Promising basketball prospect from One Tree Hill, if only Nathan doesn't get in his way.
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Old Yesterday, 02:48 PM   #12316
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

Guys you are way too hard on Luke, or whatever PS representative is lurking in these forums.

I could bet he(or she) is taking notes on suggestions and feedback and delivering them to the team responsible for changes. Only to be turned down by Amaya hawks who are only interested in short term profits.
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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM   #12317
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And there he changed it. 10 Minutes shorter latereg to force the new payout to fit in even the prizepool gets a massive hit. How is that change good for the players or even Amaya? Jesus Christ...



+ Bountys for 1st.

No additional words needed for this mess.
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM   #12318
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Haha today i check triple thread and the tournament have reduced late reg to 1 hour so as we were allmost sure Luke i lurking here .Now guarantie will drop and tourney will slowly die same as other zooms for example 11$ 6 max was 5-6k guarantied and was making 650 + entries ,on sundays even 800+ nowadays is making only 450 and on sunday is making 600 same as other zooms .Total disaster in my eyes and also i dont understand why people are so frustrated if someone reg and tank into money ,he had allmost freee bounty and mincash is less than the buy in ,overall it increases the prizepool and sometimes u get dealt aa/kk go all in and bust and not even cash i can tell you because when i didnt have money in my acc i was making this tactic so i can get little profit or rakeback ,now its gone and i dont see what is the big problem for the guys which are complaining,anyway u get what u wanted .Half of the tournaments on stars have reduced registartion bigs ,zooms ,PLOs and the only thing this is making is less prizepool and also not all late regs are tankers and many people get in with 10-20 bb in which is bad overall and they only lose their money .The right way was to increase the levels lenght when its late reg or decrease big blind jumps by a little bit .I can still reg at big (red) tournament at 1;30-40 and make it big % into the money by just wait the right moment for double up and i have bigger chance than the most people which reg at the start(to cash) ,just the % for top stack is much lower.
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