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Old 11-07-2018, 07:53 AM   #12076
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i dont want it myself, but the argument would be that it evens out the payout structure to be more like a freezeout. in PKO's the difference between 1st and 2nd is massive. increasing 2nd and decreasing 1st, with the bounties to play for would even out things to be more standard


and be terrible, the whole appeal of the pkos is playing HU for all that cheddar absolute unbeatable buzz ...... so a here


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Old 11-07-2018, 09:41 AM   #12077
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Re: PokerStars MTT Thread

I don't like psko as much, bc it forces you to take very marginal/thin edges which heavily increases variance
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:43 PM   #12078
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Withrawed it all. Thanks PS Scumbags.
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Old 11-07-2018, 10:08 PM   #12079
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The blind structures for the "High Roller Club" games are atrocious and there is a huge disparity between the size of the increase between blind levels which causes chips accumulation relative to the blinds being assigned different values depending on the level it occurred at.

5K
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It takes 5 blind levels to double the big blind from 5K to 10K, but 5 blind levels after 10K it doesn't get doubled to 20K, it gets tripled to 30K and this same pattern repeats itself for 50K to 300K and 500K to 3M and would do the same for 50M to 300M if the blinds didn't stop at 100 Million on level 74. Why do the differences between blind levels undulate between smooth increases of 1.2 1.17 1.14 1.13 1.11 to large jumps of 1.2 1.33 1.25 1.25 1.2? If you double up from 20bb to 40bb at bb5K (100K to 200K chips), assuming you remain at the newly acquired chip stack of 200K, you will return to having 20bb again 5 levels into the future at bb10K which means your stack would have the same utility you had 5 levels prior. If you double up from 20bb to 40bb at bb10K (200K to 400K) 5 levels into the future at bb30K you now only have 13.333bb which is of significantly less value. This means that a final table which begins at bigblind 50K would have significantly more play to it that one that happens to start at bb100K, this makes absolutely no sense and should be fixed.

Also why do the High Roller Club $530 PLO games not increase from 15 minute levels to 20 minute levels like the $530 NLH games do? It would also be a welcome change if small 1/20th antes got added to all of to the PLO and 5CO mtts, ACR did this to their PLO games and it has been a significantly better playing experience than playing with a 1/2 blind structure that has no antes.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:01 AM   #12080
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The high roller additions are great, definitely adds more of a buzz to the schedule. Surely you could do a mid and low version too? The daily cooldown in particular would probably get a huge amount of runners at the 109 level as its at a time that there isn't a great deal to register and most people are up for a juicy turbo prog with a big prizepool. I think you could put a 50k-60k guarantee on it and expect it to be smashed every single day.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:24 PM   #12081
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888 has a better payout logic, just payout 15% of actual players, do not count for the re-entries. For example I just had 45 paid on 290 players with 88 re-entries. It makes the first payouts more meaningful.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:02 PM   #12082
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888 has a better payout logic, just payout 15% of actual players, do not count for the re-entries. For example I just had 45 paid on 290 players with 88 re-entries. It makes the first payouts more meaningful.
Nobody on PS staff care about this so this statement can be deleted ,we talk about this over and over and they change it even worse .If they do it,they can actually bring more players but this is not what they are aiming for.The purpose of the exercise is max rake =big profits shortime-destroy poker+ comunity,delay broke of casual recs not reg recs which are more important .No big winning in one tourney=if its one big cash u can withdraw half but if the cash of first place is not that big u can leave the money in the acc and after that bust them at tourneys.People here talking here about PKos are **** about paying 1 st more than twice the second ,but they dont say about saturday pkos where 1 st is paid 3-4 times more than second or even more and also about big rake on turbos ,hypers and low micro reg speeds which takes a lot of prizepool and pokerstars said that they raise them because they are the best but i see Bwin/party going almost same as their tourneys and half or even less than half rake + rakeback tourneys ,only their software is bad locking(and add some more tourneys) but one time they fix that the decision is clear about most of the players will like to play since reputation of PS is in the trash not only for regs .
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:31 AM   #12083
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Have Amaya not realised yet that they drive players away with every terrible change they make, thus making them feel the need to make more awful changes to recoup those losses. Thus driving more players away and Amaya feeling the need to make even worse changes to recoup those losses. Repeat this cycle for a couple of years and we end up where we are now. If you had've just left things as they were when you took over Stars wouldn't be in the state it is now, you greedy imbeciles!
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:54 AM   #12084
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WTF is this DISGUSTING payout structure in the mid-stakes MTTs?
are they trying to push everyone away?
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:00 AM   #12085
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WTF is this DISGUSTING payout structure in the mid-stakes MTTs?
are they trying to push everyone away?
Yes, all Hots and Bigs up to $55 had they payouts ruined even more e.g. 2nd place has 1/2 of the 1st . Simply LOL
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:53 PM   #12086
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Unfortunately this thread informed Luke that recs only look at first place and the min cash. Looks like Luke took this information on board and implemented it in the most sickening way.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:46 PM   #12087
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lol this thread isn't guilty of anything
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:37 PM   #12088
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lol this thread isn't guilty of anything
I didn't mean it was guilty. I mean that they took genuinely helpful comments here regarding the pathetic min cashes and used them in the most perverse way possible, so we ended up where we are now with these awful payouts.
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Old 11-10-2018, 10:20 AM   #12089
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WTF is this DISGUSTING payout structure in the mid-stakes MTTs?
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They tested it at small-stakes and things went well so now they are rolling it out in mid-stakes. Finally it will be high stakes.

Mid-stakes has a higher concentration of educated consumers than small stakes thus more collective strength so the onus is on mid-stakes regs to take a stand.

Btw crying in this thread or hinting at threatening to do something is not taking a stand. Vote with your feet. Mr CorrectSide lead the way.
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:46 AM   #12090
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WTF is this DISGUSTING payout structure in the mid-stakes MTTs?
are they trying to push everyone away?
Try 888 or Party instead, they have some respect for the regs and actually listens.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:35 PM   #12091
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is there a page where i can find pokerstars schedule for online series in 2019? thank you
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:40 PM   #12092
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is there a page where i can find pokerstars schedule for online series in 2019? thank you
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:51 PM   #12093
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is there a page where i can find pokerstars schedule for online series in 2019? thank you
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Old 11-11-2018, 07:59 PM   #12094
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Luke IMO, you should bring down the $215 saturday heads up zoom PKO duel and the $215 daily 3max zoom PKO to $109.

It seems as though the guarantees are very depressed in both of these (didnt hit for either) and bringing it down would be a good way to hit higher guarantees, but also to introduce new players to the format.

I think it's unreasonable to go from $22 to $215, what sort of pipeline is that? With proper bankroll management, you basically need the person to 16-25x their bankroll to move up.

Imo if you want to run anything high end for these tournies it should be 3 tiers, $22, $109 and $530, basically 5x movements upward. It's pretty clear that the high stakes regs and recs aren't super interested in these tournies, so the $215 for both of the 3M and HU should be moved down to the $109 range to allow more people to participate and it's not as if this is making the player pool massive or anything either. The high stakes players can just play more rebuys regardless.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:01 PM   #12095
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Last year they had 1-2 series that were announced very late. I think one of those were winter series. I am trying to avoid having any planned trips. I looked at their site but nothing is mentioned unless i missed it. Only wcoop/scoop/turbo series are there. PP had all their schedule revealed and i was hoping PS to do the same

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Old 11-12-2018, 10:01 PM   #12096
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In comparing the "new" Star payout structures to the ones used on WPN which I think most people would agree are better overall payout structures these are what I noticed to be the differences and similarities..........

edit: I used Big $27 compared to $27.50 5K guaranteed with 300 person player field

1) WPN pays out ~12.5% of the field where as Stars pays out ~17.5% of the field.

2) a players makes slightly more min cashing on WPN: ~.75% of the prizepool compared to ~.56 on Stars

3) on Stars a player actually returns a slightly greater % of the prizepool in places 27 all the way to the final table. So Stars is paying out slightly more final three tables and especially right before the final table. You actually make the ~same % finishing 10th through 13th on Stars as you would finishing 9th at the final table on WPN.

4) Stars pays out more for 9th, 8th, 7th compared to WPN and about the same % of the prizepool is dedicated to 6th place.

Top Five comparisons:

WPN/Stars
1st: 20.4% / 17.2%
2nd: 15% / 11.2%
3rd: 11.3% / 8.4%
4th: 8.5% / 6.6%
5th 5.8% / 5.3%

So, I think its' clear that while Stars chooses to pay out ~5% more of the field than the WPN network that isn't really necessarily the main reason why the top places are lacking so much of the prizepool in this comparison. The money is actually being payed out to the places between 7 and 27 in higher amounts and this is where most of that money that use to be dedicated the higher place finishes is now going on PokerStars.

They could still have a decent structure and still payout a greater % of the field than most of their competitors if they cut down on some of this money being dedicated to those places.
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Old Yesterday, 01:27 AM   #12097
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17% for first? You should compare bigger fields.
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Old Yesterday, 03:17 AM   #12098
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This is comparing the Big $22 35K guaranteed next to the $22 30K guaranteed Manic Monday assuming 2000 runners.

Now there is a drop off across all final table positions and all the way up ~45th place and then Stars takes the lead over WPN and starts paying out a higher percentage of the prizepool all the way until the bubble.

So that in my opinion is the real issue and not really the fact they want to pay out a larger percentage of the field but that they also want to pay out more money to these middle tier places as well.

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Old Yesterday, 03:45 AM   #12099
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Good poast
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Old Yesterday, 01:43 PM   #12100
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The changes which was second takes half the first wasnt implemented at blue/normal/rebuys but this week i noticed these applied also to them so im really stoping playing everything but bounty and hyper at this idiotic site .Why to play for FT when u get **** if ur not 1 of 2000 ?
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