Bad idea. First 7m isn't a nice number for a guarantee. Second the players that'd be missing compared to this years 10m guaranteed are exactly those that make the 5k buyin ME worth playing.

I would much prefer to have 3 weeks of WCOOP. I have to say that i rly love the 3 buy in levels pls keep that but pls also make the ME 3 levels and maybe lower the GTD. There are soo many peopel that would play a $200 or $500 main but never even think about clicking a $500 sat.

They will click a $215 sat for the $5K ME. Just look at the ABI of the players that play these sats.

I dislike two weeks as oppposed to three.

Yea, also for me 3 weeks is much better than 2..

@ luke all 530$ are 3k/5min lvl....
why u dint had 530$ sats for 5200$ WCOOP main with same structure (and feeders to them) as sats for live EPT stops are???

Another payout example which is weird; Bigger 11 is re-entry, 625 players, 101 re-entries, 134 players ITM with min payout 17 for 10% of the players (position 72-134).

So we want to pay more than 20% of the players, but half of them so little that they loose money with 1 re-entry.

It is hard to see anybody happy to take this money out of the final table payouts.

3 weeks is better than 2 or at least 2.5 weeks.
I miss a ME in the 215-530$ range also..maybe you can make a 5K and a 215 or 109 if u dont want to do 3-tier.

There are 6-max hyper sats running to next weeks Mini-kickoff, doesn't seem right

We use this structure for 1-in-10 satellites pretty frequently. Like/dislike?



Thanks for providing the feedback. We'll see how today goes and then we'll have a bit of time to think about it for next year.

This is already how all WCOOP MTT satellites work. Players who win a seat into a target are not eligible to join another satellite to the same target. There's a few loopholes, such as players entering as many satellites in "registering" state as possible, but generally speaking the idea is to prevent people from winning multiple seats.

We haven't made any adjustments to Sit & Go satellites as their role is a bit unclear, but I'm open to ideas for tests.

Why do you prefer three weeks? Assuming the same amount of guarantees, tournaments, and overall prize pools.

We really must be getting our signals crossed. They're not five minute levels. Below is the structure for the $215 Megas we've run. The $530s had identical structures, but with 12-minute levels:

i prefer 3 weeks because i can spread the grind out with some off days in between, which is impossible if u mash everythign into 2 making it a much less enjoyable overall experience. also u cant claim that the guarantees overall as a sum are the same as it would be in 3, none of the days was overly optimistic in guarantee, in fact all the 215s were lowballed super hard. but thats another story, i would like to have some stars mtts to play that are special for 3 weeks in september as is the case in may during what is called the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of onine poker. cant eb that some spring series is bigger and better for more than a decade running still imo

no wonder they didnt release the phase 2 payouts till today , theyre absolutely attrocious lol .

1st isnt even 10% of the prizepool

Wcoop 5k main, still had 40+mins of late reg and it only had 770/1.2k hyper sng sats left.
Cmon, add some 75/109$ and 215$ hypers, everyone is going to try those, if you can spend over a thousand dollars for a hyper sng, you can definitely just directly buy-in. You do not listen to/understand players!

@luke hmmm i coudnt find those 530$ 12 min lvl you are talking about all i could see were 530$ 5 min lvl and 3 min/ i was searching for them in main event lobby but cound find them idk what could be the reason for that
when was the last one 530 with 12 min lvl?

i would prefer to have 3 weeks with more events ofcourse and not just same amount streched to 3 weeks. Id also liek to see some days that have exclusivly non NLHE events running (so i can take day off).
There are some events that didnt run this time i think like the 2-7 or badugi.
Those coudl run in 3 weeks and i rly wouldnt mind if some events were recurrying 2-3 times like the standard NLHE/PKOs. not every event has to be super special. just give us 3 weeks with great structures and not-broken payouts pls.

+ 1 to 3 weeks. That said, I think it's been a great series for the brief time it lasted.

soo,
16.5$ Pacific Rim runs 80 minutes, is still in 86m late reg with 50bb starting stack but no satellites running anymore.. weak

Yes Luke but this structure is mostly used in a 1-in-20 sat.

For example look at the WCOOP-61: 109 NLH Prog KO

As far as I can see only one(!) sat that is not a turbo has a buyin of 1-to-10 or better (mtt number 2408590505)

And it starts 7h30 before the actual event (11h30 CET to 19h CET)? This is way to early. They are now on the bubble, so the sat will only take 2h30 to reach the tickets. You can pop in a few of those during the day, even 5 to 3 hours before the event.

The other 23 sat that are in the lobby do not meet the criteria of at least 1-in-10 AND normal speed.

So just 1 in 24 sats is a 'good' sat.

Do you see what I mean?

Great guaranteeds today, dropping everything to how it was in dead summer days while there are still series events going on all around.. Big 109 20kgtd really? Not even remotely trying to push gtds up, instead keeping them as low as possible, way to go

Sunday Storm was 275K or 300K Gtd last year. Now they keep it on 200K.

I am primarily a cash game player but decided to play a few micro MTT's yesterday as a change which included 2 fairly deep runs in the Sunday Storm and Hot $2.20. It must be said that the payout structures in these tournaments are a disgrace. I know after the rake changes that the prizes are going to be smaller.

I finished 19th out of ~6200 in the Hot $2.20 winning $23. Really? I spent 4 hours and finished in the top 0.3% and win 10x my buyin. Hurts even more when I get 2 outered (TT < 33 AIPF) for a top 3 stack but what's even worse is the payout structure on the FT.

1st - ~$1600
2nd - ~$850
3rd - ~$475
...
9th - ~$71

I will post a screenshot later as currently at work but these payouts seem heavily imbalanced. Almost as if you are trying to get recs to only look at 1st place to give them the incentive to enter. Surely these payouts can be re-evaluated as currently 1st place getting nearly double the prize of 2nd place is absolutely ridiculous.

It is indeed 7 8 9 are just like nothing ,thats why when im on FT i play tight until we are 6 to not be dissapointed for some 30-50 $ FT in big field,also whey make this trick 1st get 2000 2nd 1000$ to look like u are getting a lot but most of the times u are force to make deal cuz u are like double or nothing scenario i was forced to make deal with fun player cuz he had big stack i didnt want to risk to get so small price for beating all the field.

Exactly this. At micros, a lot of the players won't know about the extreme ICM considerations so getting to 6th should be fairly easy if you have at least a medium sized stack. Paying just under 20% of the field feels like a bit of a joke though. Why not pay less of the field and spread that money more evenly around the top 1% of the field. At least then a deep run will actually feel more like one.

Stars thinks that having the losers lose a bit less and thus play longer is better than having normal payouts.

Instead of worrying about doing better marketing or lobbying governments to legalize poker or merge player pools, this is where we're at.

Increased rake, decreased rakeback, worse and worse payout structures, not listening to people, 2+ month response times for suggestions and even ignoring them at that point.

It's a shame because it'll probably 4+ years before anybody can somewhat challenge Stars' monopoly and you just know they will do everything in their power to squeeze out as much profit and **** decent players as much as they can.

Didn't the group that took over Stars have a history of buying and hollowing out assets?

What is the point in doing high roller events for the L and M 'COOP's?

Surely the Low High Roller just becomes another event for the Medium players, and the Medium event just becomes another event at the High price point?