The number of deals made will go through the roof in the future with these payouts. Even in turbos where edges are lower having the first get double the money of the 2nd is ridiculous.

This incentivizes players to throw ICM out the window and just play for chips and get to HU and then deal. From PS standpoint it makes sense since recs usually make huge ICM errors so this is a move that will greatly reduce reg edge on final tables. Payouts being that top heavy will also shoot variance through the roof. If you're grinding huge field tournaments with that payout structure good luck ever realizing your $ev.

But again from PS pov these are all great changes that will drive more and more regs out of the games.

Can somebody that has a decent database of these tournies run a test and see how they would perform under the new payouts assuming everything else stayed constant?

took big 11 with old 10% rake structure vs current big 11 as an example



3606 player field , assumed we finish every FT spot 1 in 2000 which shouldn't be too hard given the field

FT equity decreases by almost $2/game

So the idea is as follows:

Winning regs basically don't (in the long run) experience variance, they will generally win what they are supposed to meaning that they will FT and ship or get into the top 5 over a big enough sample much more than recs or bad regs.

Flattening the payout only hurts winning regs who although in the short run could benefit (as they will be moneying more as well), in the long run it cuts into their FT ROI drastically.

Here is the thing I'm wondering, where does the real skill lie in regularly moneying or regularly final tabling as we know the real money comes from the early parts of tournaments when the worst players will be spewing hardest and once you get down to sub 40 bb as the regular stack, skill edges obviously diminish (although not disappear).

The other thing is that by flattening it, yes bad players get more money all around, but what happens when bad players don't get paid when they finish in the top 5 in the same way as they as well as good regs will get hurt by these payouts as well?

Somehow PokerStars found a way to create a structure where 1st place prize is twice as much as 2nd yet still lower than the older more traditional payout structure.

Wow, I didn't realize the rake was now $1.80 in the Hot $16.50. When did that happen?

Luke, you cannot artificially create the illusion of winning big money in an MTT just by keeping the top place prize high in your tournaments. People are not that stupid and can see the much lower prizes listed beneath it. People have been accustomed to the traditional structure for years and that is why it's been employed across live casinos and online casinos for decades now with success.

You can pay out a larger percent of the field if you choose but in doing so you have to sacrifice it from each and every place all the way up the ladder.

These games are not Spin and Gos. No recreational player wants to play a game for hours on end where only a few people have a chance at a reasonable prize. The reason it works in Spin and Gos is because the games only last five to ten minutes. People are willing to spin at the chance of playing for a big prize against two other players in a game that last so short.

Very few people are going to be excited when your payouts pop on the board and they see that not only are they much lower than on other sites but distributed in a way where only a few people can possibly make a big score and in doing so it's going to take them hours of play to get to that point.

Is your end goal to kill MTTs on the site?

If not then you need to find a way to make final tables more exciting for people as this payout structure just isn't going to do it. Maybe instead of giving a bunch of your players a very small min cash or payout you could give a bunch of them a ticket to come back again another day instead and keep the money up top enticing for the field. This would help keep the payouts at the final table to reasonable amounts and also help increase guarantees easier on subsequent days.

It does feel that you just want to spread out the money but in doing so with these less appealing payout structures you are certainly going to be killing the appeal for many playing MTTs.

They increased the rake on the <20$ stuff to 12% few weeks back.

On another note: The Saturday rebuy has 90min of rebuy time and was itm 90min later where you get 3 buyins back which is break even in most cases. With the break I think there was probably 75 min of play after addon to reach the money. How exciting.

What is going on with the disconnection every 2 hours today?
It is not on my end my internet is fine it just keeps DC from stars for 1-2 minutes and then coming back.
Get it together.

it actually is on your end

Well at least the sunday million got a nice prize pool today. Quite surprised as thought most Euros would have been too drunk to play after the world cup

yeah, pretty big this time. You can't tell me that has anything to do with tickets/must-play seats, right?

Hey, I didnt ask for a namechange but had to get a new account. I cant tell why unfortunately.. The obvious choice for a new name was easterdamn since it was closest to easterdamnz.

It seems that structures are back to normal. Can anyone else confirm?

I think that there was no overlays in the major tournaments this sunday, because this was the first sunday after the WSOP is finished, so a lot of players returned home and played. WC Final was in an early evening in the Europe and that helps to

Good job on reversing the payouts.

Any news on WCOOP dates?

In the .bg ps there is not MicroMillions tab in the Events tab. There was before some time but disappeared. Please add it before the events starts.

yes , they even changed bounty builder payouts to pay 14% ~to first in 4-10k player fields

Didn't luke say the bounty builder payouts were the same as before when 4k field paid like 8% to first ? what a trustworthy lad he is .

Well, well, another restart today.
Just such a frustrating situation when there are no announcements, no emails and you have to reschedule your time again. This is NOT how you deal with your customers, and it is NOT the first time. Idiots.

its kind of funny that everybody seems to want to state how thankful he is towards luke/pokerstars that they switched back to the old payouts. first of all those payout structures are still terrible. secondly it seems like such an awesome move by stars given their strategy to kill online mtts.

change sth to the absolute nut worst (knowing that regs will complain even more than they did before), let it run for a week and then switch it back so that even the haters have a reason calm down because „stars did sth good for them/the game“. that way regs feel better about playing and even though lowstakes/microstakes „regs“ are probably drawing dead either way. their ride might take a little longer now though.

in before luke proudly states how awesomely stars listened to the critics.

There was an e-mail yesterday.

That's not the first time Amaya does this and people seem to love it so I guess it works.

not just amaya old stars had a similar strat. Make really bad changes then change back a few of the worst saying the listened to the players.

It was great PR from them on this, the main difference now is that amaya doesn't even pretend to listen to players.

Also I would not count out the awful payouts coming back. It was a test and likely they have ended it to check how well/bad it was for them before making a decision.

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Afaik they did the same with hyper rake, introduced it, reversed and then brought it back for real

hi mashxx - i did not receive the email, but last 12 months only got one.
maybe you have signed up for more email or something. where did you register?

sunday million was upto 3x re entry, hence the biggest prizepool. a few other tournies became re-entries that usually arent (sunday storm i think) so yeah...kinda inflated numbers. hopeit doesnt tempt them into keeping it this way