Why do you need to test even worse payouts?

Thinking this helps recs is just silly. Nobody wants to play for 7+ hours reach a final table and get a tiny payout. Recs and regs alike feel this way.

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What a shttshow Stars has become holy fk.

14.7$+ 1.8$ for a zoom turbo tournament is standard since March. Fk right off mate Jesus h christ

Edit : FULL KO

Eafd

It's pretty smart from a business perspective, basically they know recs DGAF about stuff like this nor do winners who may lose 5% of winnings, the only people that it hits hard are slight winners who become break even or slight losers and these people make up a minuscule amount of people.

So basically recs/losers=unimpacted (70-90% of population)
Big winners=mostly unimpacted (4-6% of population)
Slight winners=impacted (3-5% of population)

Ofc it hits everyone, but some people notice it more than others and they know big winners will keep playing on the site.

Long term, it's questionable, but other sites suck so bad, it really doesn't matter so Stars uses their monopoly to squeeze out every penny they possibly can.

I've seen so much downplaying of the impact of the horrible changes over past years that it's simply really hard to read.

preach!

as there is no worldcup tmrw i was looking fwd to put in a sunday grind, but wont now after seeing more laughably changes lately... hope everything overlays and enjoy the "sunday 500k" soon

its refreshing to see that most of the ppl itt are finally catching up w the way stars is treating them, i enjoyed the wit and pics of most of the posts!

Regd for Big 7.5 two days ago. Saw the horrible payouts

1st gets 850
2nd 425

was utterly feeling disgusted not at stars but for me registering and not knowing sick payouts.

Had built a stack but Jammed all in with crap to close out so dont feel bad after playing 5-6 hrs


sick,

somebody used to say poker is dead

hash tag pokerreallyisdead

new comers to poker will be so diacouraged and regs will want to fade out

faking bs

Who do you think you are actually bull****ting here? Its just a test aha ok.

Well then i have a proposition to test. How about you fire up 10 tournamnets from micro to 215$ with steep payotus instead. Just a couple, see how they! do, after all its just a test right, and not an attempt to spread money around even more

You may have a point but if this is your way of providing feedback please just go somewhere else. Glad you stopped playing here.

New "Experimental" PokerStars payouts for equivalent buyin and field

1st - 12.72%
2nd - 6.36%
3rd - 4.49%
4th - 3.17%
5th - 2.23%
6th - 1.58%
7th - 1.11%
8th - 0.78%
9th - 0.55%

Overall - 32.99%

Is there a limit to madness? How many years it took them to take down ongame?

So basically if things stand as are you could play this $11 La Fievre tournament on Winamax with say a ~3000 player field and get 2nd with a prize equivalent approximately of getting two 2nd place finishes in the same $11 tournament 3000 person field on PokerStars. Amazing!!!

btw, I don't play on winamax and not saying they have the best structure either but that little comparison is insane to me. Fwiw, I really like the ACR payout structure.

Thanks for adding the $11 PSKO Zoom HU @ 18:25 @Luke.


Btw. I am mainly playing Zoom tournaments and I always feel like the early Zoom schedule is a bit too close together.

Current schedule with times in CET:


8:45 - $ 1.10 Rebuy Zoom
9:45 - $ 11 Zoom 3max
9:45 - $ 1.10 Zoom (I wouldnt include it in this issue since its a micro mtt)
10:40 - $ 16.50 Zoom HU PSKO
11:10 - $ 11 Zoom 6max
3 hour 20 min gap
14:30 - $ 11 9max




The main issue I have is that once I play the $ 1.10 Rebuy @ 8:45 I often skip the 3max @ 9:45. When I play the 3max @ 9:45 I often skip the $ 16:50 @ 10:40 and when I play the $ 16:50 @ 10:40 I often skip the $ 11 @ 11:10.

The 3max & the HU Zoom take a lot of attention, playing both at the same time is pretty hard.

My suggestion is the following:


8:30 - $ 1.10 Rebuy Zoom
10:00 - $ 11 Zoom 3max
11:30 - $ 11 Zoom 6max
13:00 - $ 16.50 Zoom HU PSKO
14:30 - $ 11 Zoom


Right now I am playing 2-3 of those tournaments. If the schedule would be like this I would play all of them. I am sure many other players who play those tournaments have the same problem with the starting times. Especially the 3max & the Zoom HU 16.50 steal a lot of traffic from each other when they are too close together. My suggestion would also solve the hugh zoom mtt gap from 11:10 - 14:30. Let me know what you think.

I dont understand the reason for the ft-payoutstructures aside from getting more rake since people have to play another 1$ mtt to get something out of it. Everything gets smaller. If you win a 1$ mtt as a recreational you wont even win enough to make a jump to 5$ mtts. If you finish 2nd or less you will be stuck if you use a little BRM. And how realistic is it for a real recreational player to get to two fts in a short amount of time.

I only play on the weekends and I know that smaller fields means less variance but I dont have the time to play enough to profit of it so when I can play only one or two days a week I want the chance to cash big or I wont even bother wasting my afternoon. I will never get to play the volume to build a bankroll the proper way when I have a dayjob. And I think its similar for lots of other players who are often enough the players who can afford to play a 20$ mtt or occasionally join a 109 major.

It also seems that for a every day business there just isnt enough money to fill every single mtt anymore which lead to decreasing gtds all over the place. But you see certain mtts still outshine others for example the 5$ marathon. It gets a lot more players than the stuff which starts around it like 5$ turbos etc.. So I think players have no problem to join longer lasting tournaments if the prizepool is good.
So maybe cut some of the stuff. Make the flagship mtts big and instead of having all the <3$ stuff, cut a lot of them and make more must play sats even for the big4+ stuff.

This part will probably get me crucified.
I often read about budget players and so on. They wont be the future of onlinepoker. A budget player will always be on a budget so even if he wins a common cents mtt he probably cashes out the bucks rather than moving up. He cant afford or justify to use the winnings to gamble higher when 100$ can buy him stuff he cant afford usually. I did that as well in 2007/2008 as a student when I won my first 4/180. I cashed out the money I deposited and a little more.
And most of the posters arguing for that stuff are probably players who try to build bankrolls from the bottom and argue for their self-interest. But we have seen that for years now. We need more turbos we need more non-nlhe stuff and we need more and more(now we are back to "We need more HU mtts". Yet the money is not there anymore. The mixed games have been around for years and they haven't gain much traction unless during SCOOP/WCOOP. How long is Ruthenberg retired since he made a killing in them?
I dont think it makes much sense to fragment the schedule even more and the grinders of these games know they still have an incredible edge in them yet I think every dollar lost in these games is almost a dollar too much because the mixed games probably wont start a new rush.
Thats just my opinion.

this sums up your way of thinkin pretty much perfect.
Your always posting stuff like "i'm not a fan of...", "I don't think so...", "I think most people want..."

I mean with all the respect, but WE are the players. We actually play the stuff that you are offering and you are asking for opinions if we like it or not, so here they are. So why would it matter if YOU are a fan of it?
If your saying the above "I think most players would prefer to keep them where they are", why do you think that way, did you have more feedback on this in other forums? give some arguments why it is "better" for the players (its not all about guarantees)

Who or what tells you that people WANT fewer money on final tables or want 1500 people getting paid in a 8000 ppl field?

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Originally Posted by TheBlackWidow View Post
I totally agree with bringing back more HU mtt's.
The 16.50 in the morning is always doing very well and hitting it's guarantee.
Zoom/Total KO are definitely not musts in my opinion, however more important to have a great HU MTT of the day in the evening (European). I would suggest a 22$ HU Super KO with a top heavy pay out.
Additional; a 11$ HU tournament every two hours would make me really happy.

Luke:
I'm really not a fan of the shootout format in the daily schedule, and when it came to the Saturday Duel, that tournament was not exactly flourishing as a weekly offering, either. I think for now we'll continue with the Zoom format while iterating as needed.


1. Why aren't you a 'fan' of the shootout format in the daily schedule?
2. Does it matter if you are a 'fan' or does it matter if it's a popular format for the players?
3. You refer too the Saturday duel, but the regular shootout hu mtt's running every 2 hours were always filled. Once again, why not bring them back?

this is a really, really good post.

PS is genius, nothing like playing for 7 hours and finishing 9th for 0.55% to crush a regs soul.

I would like to see tourney like daily shoutout 6 max or 3 max (turbo structure or even hyper) or even like daily marathon to have 2 like them micro and middle stakes 4$/44$ in time where theres alot players so u can put good guarantee (around the starting time of big 22 eu time) and still will finish on time because it will be turbo/hyper or mby bubble rush).If u like to give more money to FT 1st and the 10-XX players just cut 4-6% of payouts like everybody wants to and put the money to FT and the final 3-4 tables only ,because is very discouraging to finish on FT on 7-8-9 place and get 10-15 buy ins for big fields...

Can anyone explain to me (maybe luke) who is doing the schedule for pokerstars.es?!
it is way worse than stars.com (still anteless first levels etc.)
what i dont get at all are the starting times. the upcomming micromillions main event (50€ = micro?!) starts at 9pm(!). I mean its meant to be for europeans only mainly spanish and french players. why would they start it SO LATE???? how is that not the most dumb thing they could possibly do. even the main events on stars.com start an hour earlier. why dont they let it start in the afternoon at 5pm or something like that. so many people have no chance to start a slow structured tournament at 9pm especially all the recs that have to work the next morning. i cant stop shaking my head

another question: why is there a micro battle royal but no micro thrill in the evening for 11$? only 1k and 109 sucks

stars.es/fr does suck badly in a lot of ways but the 1 thing they do right is having day 1 end around 2-3 am CET , so doesn't really matter if a main event starts at 21:00 .

micromillions on es/fr has some surprisingly decent tournaments compared to the waste of time on ps.eu with 1 $22 capped at 10% for first and 1 12% raked $11 lol

stars.fr should have a representative in this thread https://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poke...arsfr/?page=70

+1000 to more $22-$33 red/blue tourneys at euro peak hours

See, Luke, what did I tell you (nearly 2x guarantee):



People love these, still think you guys could use a few more throughout the day, but it's a good start. Now PLEASE add a $20-30 variant of the 8:20 ET 9m zoom with the same 10k chip structure

What a fkn joke. My screen name is my real name and I’ve requested multiple times for a name change and still not had it granted. Seriously stars, what is wrong with you? How does this guy get granted a name change and I get denied despite playing on your site for over a decade with my real name?

Neymar really is the perfect rep for Pokerstars huh

New payouts suck and look absolutely ridiculous. Everything on stars just keeps getting worse and worse.

They should hire Ninja and some other big streamers on Twitch and pay them to play a bit of Poker on Stars instead of only paying semi-big or small Poker streamers. I dont really get it why this hasnt happen yet.

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Btw. I would like to bring up the Zoom 6 Max Hyper Turbo idea once again. I feel like that format would be a great addition for people who dont have much time to play. I remember there have been already Hyper Turbo Zoom sattelites in the past.