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04-05-2018 , 04:58 PM
Surprise muddafkers
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04-05-2018 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Seems like it for the 2nd year in a row.
I remember when Stars ran their business as if the word competition didn't exist.
God yea I remember when stars had a monopoly, great times!
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04-05-2018 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by N3wAccount
God yea I remember when stars had a monopoly, great times!
Actually i meant when they had competition pre bf and still felt so confident in their offerings that they put out offerings that made them the best game in town and they didn't care what the competition did.

Right now I'm glad competition has arrived but I fear it won't be permanent because Party will collapse organically.
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04-06-2018 , 02:17 AM
rofl that scoop sched
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04-06-2018 , 05:27 AM
is the rake increase also for 22$ tourneys?
guess so cause they changed the low versions from 27$ (which has been the number for a decade) to 22$!
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04-06-2018 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by travisohc
is the rake increase also for 22$ tourneys?
guess so cause they changed the low versions from 27$ (which has been the number for a decade) to 22$!
hehe, nicely spotted, didn't realise that.

hard to complain about this schedule really, it's just series like any other under amay, better than nothing.
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04-06-2018 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by travisohc
is the rake increase also for 22$ tourneys?
guess so cause they changed the low versions from 27$ (which has been the number for a decade) to 22$!
No. Rake was increased for everything under $22. Man, these are simple things to debunk by looking at a lobby and yet people always in here with conspiracy theories.

Schedule looks good as usual. Fairly standard stuff.

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04-06-2018 , 07:21 AM
ohh boy satellite do you really cant see how shady amaya is. haha. just wait till they are in the client and we'll seee

what other reason to get rid of the long time succesfull 27$ buyins where they rake more than at the old $22 rake structure. cuz now they will rake the same in $22 as $27. and much less will goes to prizepools, which is good for the ecosystem, and for the greedy ****ers pockets
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04-06-2018 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by playr
ohh boy satellite do you really cant see how shady amaya is. haha. just wait till they are in the client and we'll seee

what other reason to get rid of the long time succesfull 27$ buyins where they rake more than at the old $22 rake structure. cuz now they will rake the same in $22 as $27. and much less will goes to prizepools, which is good for the ecosystem, and for the greedy ****ers pockets
Once again, another person who can't read... might they change it in the future? Possibly... but it is NOT changed as of now. All I said was spouting conspiracy theories is dumb when someone can simply look in the client and see it's still $20 + $2. And personally, I don't care they hid the rake, it's called fine print and every company on Earth has used it for decades. Amaya is just becoming a normal company whereas the old Stars was more of a passion project that made money.

Not to mention your logic is flawed, moving the buy-in down and changing the rake again like weeks later is bad even for Amaya... and they'd make MORE rake by keeping it at $27 and simply raking MORE there. It's a buy-in everyone was familiar with already for SCOOP and wouldn't have noticed a change, but with the switch to $22, EVERYONE will notice that change and might look into it and then they'd see increased rake. It's an incredibly dumb plan for being shady.
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04-06-2018 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
Not to mention your logic is flawed, moving the buy-in down and changing the rake again like weeks later is bad even for Amaya... and they'd make MORE rake by keeping it at $27 and simply raking MORE there. It's a buy-in everyone was familiar with already for SCOOP and wouldn't have noticed a change, but with the switch to $22, EVERYONE will notice that change and might look into it and then they'd see increased rake. It's an incredibly dumb plan for being shady.
do you think they care? wtf

would you dare to bet on it? if this happens u have to close ur stars account for life
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04-06-2018 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by playr
do you think they care? wtf

would you dare to bet on it? if this happens u have to close ur stars account for life
LOL... why? I didn't say they WOULDN'T, I said it would be a DUMB way to do it. They could've raked MORE by staying at $27 and simply raising the rake.

They might very well do as you said, but it will be a dumb way to do it and so far, Amaya has done what all businesses do, they hide the crappy changes as best they can without completely saying nothing so they are shielded from litigation and they promote the good things they do hard.

So making this change at the most visible time of year for them while at the same time drawing major attention to it is a BAD way to do it. Doing it just AFTER SCOOP on the other hand would be the ideal time to slip in a rake increase at the mid stakes.

I make a side income from this game and Stars still has the best tournaments/software to do that, rake increase or not... if I was a full on grinder I would definitely be diversifying my platforms (and even have been testing Winamax, which has a rake of 9+1 for their 10 Euro games) as that is my job: to find the best options for ME in the current climate.

If you guys wanna boycott Stars, go for it, I don't see many grinders doing that, I see them diversifying and limiting their Stars action to the BEST events for them. Weird, seems like exactly what Stars is doing, shifting their business practices to make the most money for their company.

When ALL the grinders get together and say this is actually WRONG and quit, then I'll believe that they care about the health of the ecosystem and not just their bottom lines.
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04-06-2018 , 08:57 AM
Hey Luke, there are 3 Deep Stacks $2.20 MTTs a day. 4:10, 12:45 and 22:10 CET. Can you move one from 12:45 to 10:10 CET and maybe add another one at 16:10 if you want. Or just add some Deep Stacks $2.20-$3.30 vanilla or PKO whatever you like but add it to 9:30-10:15 CET please.
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04-06-2018 , 10:47 AM
why are there four nl08 mtts? did this game become super popular while i wasn't looking?

please change one to single draw
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04-06-2018 , 11:42 AM
PL 2-7 Triple Draw Event please
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04-06-2018 , 01:03 PM
So you include a No Limit Omaha event which you don't even have a cash game offering for and exclude 2-7 single draw??

who the f has ever even demanded a NLO tourney??

please re consider, and make it 5.5$ 55$ 530$ if you don't think the demand is there for higher buy-in levels (i personally think it can support higher buy-in).

you could even add it to the final day's events (monday) although I would strongly prefer a saturday (maybe put the 4max on monday (which is tough to play on busier days) and slot the single draw into the current 4max slot.
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04-06-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by watevs
why are there four nl08 mtts? did this game become super popular while i wasn't looking?

please change one to single draw
Yeah no single draw feelsbadman
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04-06-2018 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
No. Rake was increased for everything under $22. Man, these are simple things to debunk by looking at a lobby and yet people always in here with conspiracy theories.

Schedule looks good as usual. Fairly standard stuff.

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conspiracy isnt the right word here.
Here‘s the thing: I just don‘t trust pokerstars as a company anymore, at all!
They really worked hard to reach that status with all the terrible changes they did in the last years and thats why I don‘t see a simple buy in decrease and feel thats there isnt a selfish intention behind it.
Its alright that you still have a positive attitude towards pokerstars, but you really cannot blame others to expect the worst after all the stuff that has happened
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04-06-2018 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by margenov
PL 2-7 Triple Draw Event please
+1

Really enjoyed it in the Turbo Series. Much more fun than FL 2-7!
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04-07-2018 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by validand notinuse

SCOOP suggestions

-on subject of mtt formats, HUPLO total KO and NLO WTB fromm prev COOPs really didnt work (the first required strategic adjustments that were fun to figure out and experiment with for like half an hour and was then just annoying, the second was just ridiculous). if you want to try something out, why not give PLO w/antes a shot? on subject of a format that did work (at least imo) 3-max (poss zoom) from one of last yrs COOPs was a bunch of fun.

-seems like most yrs first schedule draft deletes NL 2-7 and then it eventually gets put in after feedback, this time around maybe just skip that stage and have it in from the start?

-no idea if possible to code, but big bet mix would be awesome.

-facility to play to the $ (at least like an extra lvl) on d1s if its within a certain range (like if less than x% of remaining players at scheduled EOD need to bust). also, keep the length of d1s under control in general (HR series has imo done some amount better there, shooting for somewhere around the 7hr mark, plenty long enough).

-for non NL events with smaller number of mtts on regular weekly schedule, run them around those weekly events. ie, for PLO, weekly 500s run tues/thurs/sun, so should be some amount of bias towards those days when scheduling PLO COOP events.
i wrote a long rant about the joke that has been lukes recent conduct itt but at this point who even cares, im gonna keep playing on stars until the nanosecond i dont have better options and at that point...well, id be going back into rant territory. so, since im an eternal optimist and someone who actually cares might skim this thread once in a blue moon

point 1 above, seems fine.
point 2, i jinxed it :|
point 3 was a long shot.
point 4, seems fine.
point 5, epic fail to my eternal bemusement. you guys do get that running SCOOP events alongside weekly ones boosts turnout in both, right?

Last edited by validand notinuse; 04-07-2018 at 04:21 AM.
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04-07-2018 , 05:16 AM
Glad to see some NLO8 offering @ SCOOP.

Leaderboards are a disappointment though: Winner takes it all-structure for overall leaderboard is very lame and very top-heavy prizes on others don't make it easy to get any prize at all. Better than nothing for sure but it could've been so much better if you would have just spread prizes a bit more.
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04-07-2018 , 10:04 AM
I understand the reasons for rake increases in low stakes MTTs. We all knew rake increase was coming once $10+1 changed to $11 and, to be honest, it's not as bad as I feared it might be.

One suggestion: Revert rake on rebuy tournaments (or at least the rebuy/addon rake) to 10%. It's already hard to justify putting more than 2 bullets in these with a 10% rake, I fear rebuy tourneys will dry up even more now.

I'm impressed by upcoming SCOOP schedule, was literally drooling when I first saw it.
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04-07-2018 , 05:45 PM
i see the low events arent 2days like it used to be every time... till now. so dissapointing...
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04-08-2018 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by playr
i see the low events arent 2days like it used to be every time... till now. so dissapointing...
umm what? Most events are 2 days, even the low ones, check the lobbys in the client.
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04-08-2018 , 08:36 AM
hm ok, they just missing the slow structure. ok. my bad. looks good this way.
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04-08-2018 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2012
Honestly it does just amaze me that such a big company can even spread so much negativity around. There are so many simple things you could do to make everyone in this thread happier with, but instead you choose to always do the opposite. It seems to me like you just don't really care anymore at this point and that you're to weak to stand up for the company you work for anymore.

I went back to the start of this thread in 2016 and you were actually responsive and people in the thread were even giving you positive feedback. What exactly was it that changed? How can you suddenly become so inconsistent and just leave your most important customers hanging?

In the start of this thread you replied 5 times within the first 6 days of having posted or so. Now your last reply was 25 days ago during the most critical time of the year for us MTT players. In that last reply you said you were working on SCOOP and asked for people to give feedback and so on, but somehow you haven't found the need to respond since. I mean sure your job isn't the easiest and people love to complain, but man you should strive to make a difference and do the best possible job you can do no matter where you work. Coming on 2+2 to the guys that love, breath and sleep poker and just updating them once a week with 15 minutes of your time surely isn't too much to ask?

I have always visited this thread and contributed a tiny bit here and there, but mainly I feel sad for the guys that actually spend a lot of time using their brains on actually suggesting really good improvements to the schedule, but getting close to no feedback or just end up getting bypassed by you. Hopefully this message encourages you to spend a little more time for all the good guys in here...
This is a great post. +1 to all of this.
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Originally Posted by raidalot
This. I don't know any other fee based business that hides its fees and doesn't notify customers of fee increases. The rec-friendly thing was blown out of the water long ago btw.

(a) This thread directly disproves your claim. (b) People might care more if the 20% rake increase wasn't hidden.
Of course raidalot spot on again. Totally agreed with all of this. The shady hiding, deception and non-notification of it really angers me too.
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