[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
01-09-2016
, 12:14 PM
big162
109 cubed turbo( i skip it bc its one of the worst tourneys)
109$ turbo
82$ bounty builder (had already stopped session at that point)
215$ turbo (ez skip bc ripoff rake)
this is the Pokerstars offering one the second biggest day of the week close to absolute prime time. Notice how 3/5 are turbos.
Why is there no good regspeed tournament after 22:00 CET for the next 3 hours? THe 82$ BB is the only thing that is ok, but often it takes too long and I end up skipping it.
How can you not see that there is a demand for more tourneys on the big days? Just please considering adding another good freezeout in the 23:00 timeslot your site is complete bull**** on non-sundays after 22:00 and there is literally nothing worth regging (assuming you reg until hot44 after 22:00 CET there i can usually reg like 9-10 more tourneys and 8 (!!!!!!!!!!) of them are random lowstakes turbos with 10% rake
And yeah standard rant about HS turbo RAke, minis, widening offering on tuesday/thursday
potentially take a closer look at what competitors are offering and realize that you are completly ripping off every play in turbos???
01-09-2016
, 12:47 PM
I normally don't complain in here, but if I see it right, you have taken away the VIP weekly 30k SilverStar+ Freeroll??
Also I see that the Monthly SilverStar+ and GoldStar+ both have been downgraded to worse structures with only a 1500 chip starting stack. Will this be changed Luke? We lobbied for a long time for the changes in these structures and they were great.
Also I see that the Monthly SilverStar+ and GoldStar+ both have been downgraded to worse structures with only a 1500 chip starting stack. Will this be changed Luke? We lobbied for a long time for the changes in these structures and they were great.
01-09-2016
, 01:58 PM
Hi all,
I think there has been a misunderstanding! I am a fan of the mini-majors. My intention was simply to temper expectations by mentioning that they had promotional support in the form of added money and over 900,000 emails. In my first post, I even alluded to the idea of reducing buy-ins of majors. Our goals appear to be aligned, but the execution has not been determined and I'll need your feedback to get it right. This was my first week in the office after two weeks on holiday. Let me get my head on straight!
Still, there often appears to be a disconnect between how we view changing the schedule. Any change I make is with the goal of making players happy (thus playing more tournaments) and increasing prize pools/guarantees. I am of the view that any changes to the current schedule need to result in a more cohesive, pared down offering. Bounty Builders was a step in this direction.
Back to our regularly scheduled answers...
I think you misunderstood my meaning. The micro and low stakes schedule will likely increase in size, not decrease.
The $109 Bounty Builder counts as a Thursday Mini-Thrill, doesn't it?
Bounty Builders will stay 9-max.
It is impossible to measure their success over a sample size of one week. The red tournament schedule will change considerably in 2016 and the ABI of special tournaments will probably be reduced.
I did not mean to imply that buy-ins will be capped at $55 or something along those lines. I just want to craft a more exciting schedule for our micro to low stakes players and judging by the response you've all had to the mini-majors, we're all in agreement. The natural result of this is that the ABI of the schedule will be slightly lower.
I looked at all results for 2015.
The same answer stands for turbos if you replace "extremely high" with "fair".
I need to be clear in saying that rake-setting is not a negotiation. I am making an honest effort to be frank with you all, but I will not post data and I don't think it will be productive for us to constantly revisit this topic.
When I write a post, I grab a huge multi-quote and then put it into a Word or Outlook window to work on it. Sometimes something pressing comes up and it sits for hours. The Rounder quote you mention above as "dodging" is included in this round of replies. I'm sorry you're disappointed with the $44 6-max going away, but this is an inevitable result of changing the schedule. The implementation of Bounty Builders has been a big success and I think your peers would agree. More people have been made happy by that change than have been left upset.
I'll take your comment about guarantees as a compliment.
Apologies if you think I dodge questions or avoid arguments. I'll try to do better in 2016.
Like I said above, it is very unlikely to be as drastic as many think. I'm still in the planning process and gathering feedback here and from my colleagues. Please share any creative ideas you may have!
I can't speak for our competitors, but I think we have plenty of big buy-in options for now.
It is clear from this thread that the new rebuy structure has been a success. I'll begin rolling it out the week beginning 18 January. It will take a bit of time to change every script, but I too appreciate consistency.
You and I have will plenty of conversations this year! The impetus for changing Omania to 6-max is not based on data. I do not think 9-max has worked very well and changing it is a risk. Also, we do not have any 6-max umbrella brands and will not have a NLHE 6-max umbrella brand. It seems a natural strategic change to make and will give it some much needed unique qualities. I'm open to more thoughts but I currently think having daily red tournaments which are 6-max and multi-stack will be a nice change of pace.
I'm not against changing the status quo, and your suggestions are always well thought-out. That said, it is typically a matter of bandwidth. Non-NLHE games are lower on the totem pole, so to speak. They need an intense focus and keen eye. I'll do my best to give them the attention they need in 2016.
I particularly like the idea of test a). I'll get that one in next week.
In reality, what I had in mind is exactly what you said I wouldn't do. Not exactly adding bowls, but smaller buy-in majors.
In my opinion, this is the type of idea that requires promotional support and planning. Besides, this will essentially be happening in May, right?
I've trimmed down your post a bit, but I'll be forwarding it on to our Promotions team. The minis had added money, 900,000+ emails, and a time of high traffic. I'm not saying something similar won't happen again. I'm just trying to provide context so that we can all communicate about these topics a bit more clearly.
That exciting and successful promotion was only a few Sundays ago. See the beginning of my post for some clarification.
In my last post, I mentioned a test for Bounty Builders. Starting Monday, the $1.10 and $7.50 Bounty Builders running Monday-Friday will not award tickets. We'll measure participation to see what kind of effect it has. I'm on the fence about the stakes argument for removing Bounty Builder tickets. This is because it is not a given that those who win tickets are always regs or even MTT players. Think of it as a way of potentially hooking people on the format we all love.
Lastly, I agree about more daily tournaments during off-peak. It will take some time but changes to those time slots in 2015 were generally met with success. Do you think there is an audience for $215 off-peak tournaments? The Pacific Rim satellites constantly cancel and because of this have been significantly reduced. What about something in the range of $55?
We have not received a single complaint and like a couple people have said, this is a very popular mechanic on other sites. We just need to fix the visual issues.
#3 Some of the tournaments on the schedule are sacred and won't be removed!
#6 All of the non-NLHE red tournaments! That was an easy one, though.
Our interests are aligned. It will just take some careful planning.
I'll pass your promotional feedback along. Also, I think that the schedule is in a much better place than it was six months ago. Satellites have improved, new red tournaments have been added, and guarantees were increased to their normal levels where they could be. The Storm is still staying strong at $300K.
We have the whole year ahead to make significant changes and I'm very optimistic about the discussions we'll have and the progress that we'll make.
I think there has been a misunderstanding! I am a fan of the mini-majors. My intention was simply to temper expectations by mentioning that they had promotional support in the form of added money and over 900,000 emails. In my first post, I even alluded to the idea of reducing buy-ins of majors. Our goals appear to be aligned, but the execution has not been determined and I'll need your feedback to get it right. This was my first week in the office after two weeks on holiday. Let me get my head on straight!
Still, there often appears to be a disconnect between how we view changing the schedule. Any change I make is with the goal of making players happy (thus playing more tournaments) and increasing prize pools/guarantees. I am of the view that any changes to the current schedule need to result in a more cohesive, pared down offering. Bounty Builders was a step in this direction.
Back to our regularly scheduled answers...
The $109 Bounty Builder counts as a Thursday Mini-Thrill, doesn't it?
Bounty Builders will stay 9-max.
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GL Luke for 2016. I'm hoping to see:
- Bigs/Hots with 5k starting stack and dynamic structures but obviously don't want to see them turn into turbos/hyper turbos in first 2 hrs.
- More mtt promotions. Would like to see more giveaways in mtts. Minis with giveaways every last week of the month, or once in every 2 months please.
- Don't forget mixed game/draw schedule. I've posted many times in the past regarding badugi, 2-7 triple draw, 2-7 single draw schedule here HERE
- 1k or 5k Stars Coin Zoom tourney(make it run every last week of the month)
- Bigs and Hots will definitely transform this year. As far as structure goes, the Bigs will likely be 8-10-12-15 minute levels when the new functionality hits. I anticipate this being a very smooth experience.
- In my opinion, we run quite a few MTT promotions. We have three *COOPs which take up a bit more time when they include Phase events, the Christmas Calendar promotions, Knockout Week, Common Cents, Daily Double Jackpots, Red Spade Open, so on and so forth. I do realize that some of them are not popular with this audience, but I'm really just trying to say that the volume feels sufficient. All that said, any promotional ideas posted here will make their way to the appropriate team.
- The non-NLHE schedule will also change this year. I'm not exactly sure how yet, but I do know that the Daily $27s and Weekly $82/$215s do not perform well. I am very open to suggestions for innovative (and free) ways of improving the non-NLHE offering.
- I'll pass on the StarsCoin tournament suggestion to Matthew. I always thought it would be fun to have a "PokerStars Retro" week. Re-skin the client to the original version, run the Turbo Takedown, the $5K winner-take-all, etc.
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Thanks for answering, Luke
For the minis, can't you just implement them on a regular Sunday once, see how they do and re-evaluate? If they perform well (and tbf we all know they will), there would be little reason not to keep them right? Especially since you want to do more for micro players
With that said, even as a lowstakes player the thought of a lower abi tournament schedule kinda scares me
For the minis, can't you just implement them on a regular Sunday once, see how they do and re-evaluate? If they perform well (and tbf we all know they will), there would be little reason not to keep them right? Especially since you want to do more for micro players
With that said, even as a lowstakes player the thought of a lower abi tournament schedule kinda scares me
I did not mean to imply that buy-ins will be capped at $55 or something along those lines. I just want to craft a more exciting schedule for our micro to low stakes players and judging by the response you've all had to the mini-majors, we're all in agreement. The natural result of this is that the ABI of the schedule will be slightly lower.
I looked at all results for 2015.
I need to be clear in saying that rake-setting is not a negotiation. I am making an honest effort to be frank with you all, but I will not post data and I don't think it will be productive for us to constantly revisit this topic.
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How about this one... I could really dig up more but honestly I don't feel like it. You conveniently avoided questions recently in the past that you don't want to answer if you don't have a solid response to a given matter. It's probably on issues where you feel you know better because data. And you're also incredibly stubborn when it comes to some things which is bloody frustrating for a person in your position.
I don't see you changing bounty builders to 6-max even though .fr has them all 6-max and even though pskos play much better 6-max. That $44 was by far my favourite tournament and many others agreed ITT already and it was taken away.
Matthew has been under heavy fire recently but he's been extremely responsive and visible, even though I didn't agree with many things that he said it was nice to see him coming in trying to defend his point. Keith has been going out of his way helping out with the lag which I'd think is outside his responsibilities (as I see software development completely as a separate thing). You usually just go quiet if there's heat and you feel attacked and try wait out when people stop mentioning an issue.
And you should really try step up your GTD setup game. It's nowhere as horrible as in the beginning but there's still so much room for improvement, but it usually takes ages of both persuading and both implementation. Just because you believe that GTDs don't matter and they don't increase traffic but it happens on its own.
Or you won't implement minis more regularly because reasons.
How would you explain that a site like 888 with horrible software has been able to outgrow many tournaments that have some sort of equivalents on stars despite having much smaller playerbase?
And you never ever take any risks to grow, even though probably pretty much every other site (and business) does that, including stars.fr, which is lol.
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This is the impression of you that many of us have, and you don't seem to care about changing it and improving the situation. You treat negative feedback like haters - just continuing ignoring them.
Also you never ever addressed hs turbo rake, it's been like what, 5 years? I know why, because you have 0 arguments to back it up. You can defend PSKO rake because of winrates but you ignore hs turbo rake, just amazing. Games should be beatable, that's why we play poker and not casino games.
I don't see you changing bounty builders to 6-max even though .fr has them all 6-max and even though pskos play much better 6-max. That $44 was by far my favourite tournament and many others agreed ITT already and it was taken away.
Matthew has been under heavy fire recently but he's been extremely responsive and visible, even though I didn't agree with many things that he said it was nice to see him coming in trying to defend his point. Keith has been going out of his way helping out with the lag which I'd think is outside his responsibilities (as I see software development completely as a separate thing). You usually just go quiet if there's heat and you feel attacked and try wait out when people stop mentioning an issue.
And you should really try step up your GTD setup game. It's nowhere as horrible as in the beginning but there's still so much room for improvement, but it usually takes ages of both persuading and both implementation. Just because you believe that GTDs don't matter and they don't increase traffic but it happens on its own.
Or you won't implement minis more regularly because reasons.
How would you explain that a site like 888 with horrible software has been able to outgrow many tournaments that have some sort of equivalents on stars despite having much smaller playerbase?
And you never ever take any risks to grow, even though probably pretty much every other site (and business) does that, including stars.fr, which is lol.
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This is the impression of you that many of us have, and you don't seem to care about changing it and improving the situation. You treat negative feedback like haters - just continuing ignoring them.
Also you never ever addressed hs turbo rake, it's been like what, 5 years? I know why, because you have 0 arguments to back it up. You can defend PSKO rake because of winrates but you ignore hs turbo rake, just amazing. Games should be beatable, that's why we play poker and not casino games.
I'll take your comment about guarantees as a compliment.
Apologies if you think I dodge questions or avoid arguments. I'll try to do better in 2016.
I can't speak for our competitors, but I think we have plenty of big buy-in options for now.
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Posted in the other, now closed thread and have seen it mentioned here and figured I get my support for this idea in (I'd like to see a uniform structure for the cubed/quads as well, but admittedly I'm anal and have OCD)...
Can you make the $3-R 8K a consistent structure? Why is it a half-turbo structure on Mon/Wed/Fri and regular on Tues/Thurs/Sat when you aren't changing the structures of anything else around it? Just use the regular structure and make it the same everyday and then use the special Sunday structure... or change it to the same as the $11-R, that would be good too.
Edit: Same for the $2-R as well. Like there are 4 of them with 4 different structures within 3.5 hours (one is an Action Hour). Everyone seems to love the $11-R structure, why hasn't it just been implemented as a blanket structure for regular speed rebuys?
Can you make the $3-R 8K a consistent structure? Why is it a half-turbo structure on Mon/Wed/Fri and regular on Tues/Thurs/Sat when you aren't changing the structures of anything else around it? Just use the regular structure and make it the same everyday and then use the special Sunday structure... or change it to the same as the $11-R, that would be good too.
Edit: Same for the $2-R as well. Like there are 4 of them with 4 different structures within 3.5 hours (one is an Action Hour). Everyone seems to love the $11-R structure, why hasn't it just been implemented as a blanket structure for regular speed rebuys?
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What data is the above based on? There were discussions of this in the Omaha and other games thread that were inconclusive on whether 6-max was the way to go for the Omanias.
I think the fact that PLO is more popular in cash games as a 6-max format doesn't necessarily translate to PLO8 and NLO8 tournaments. The $8.80 Omania and $27 Omania, both which are 9-max are fine the way they are imo. If you were to change the format, the most I'd make them is an 8-max.
A few 2016 wish list items for Non-Holdem games:
1) More NLO8 MTT hypers - lots of room in the schedule for Stars to add to. Need more micros ($2.20-$5.50), a HS ($109-$215) and PKO (only one is the $82 that is extremely popular). See this thread for a detailed schedule.
2) Updating structures of $530 Omahas (been an outstanding issue for a while and players continue to pay the full $30 in rake)
3) Adding a NLO8 high stakes ($320 to $530) weekday tournament.
4) Incorporating something similar to Full Tilt's Game of the Week that highlights a different game every week/month. Lots of potential for Pokerstars as a lot of your competitors do not have the capability to offer some of the Stud and Draw games.
5) Updating turbo night schedule to match current games (i.e. more NLO8 hypers).
6) Being more receptive to changing the status quo. Two specific examples:
a) There's a $5.50 PLO8 rebuy at 13:35 with a $1,500 guarantee that is priced too low, despite hitting it's guarantee daily. If it was changed to $11, most of the players are price insensitive and would still play it and the prize pool would double.
b) There's a $7.50 NLO8 hyper 1R1A at 19:05 with a $1k guarantee that consistently exceeds the guarantee. If it was changed to a regular rebuy, the prizepool would at least double because players are often in positions where they bust both bullets before the addon.
These are just two examples where the members of the tournament team do not choose to incorporate changes (these have been suggested several times) because the status quo appears to be "fine". Don't be afraid to be bold and take a chance. We are the ones playing in these games after all.
I think the fact that PLO is more popular in cash games as a 6-max format doesn't necessarily translate to PLO8 and NLO8 tournaments. The $8.80 Omania and $27 Omania, both which are 9-max are fine the way they are imo. If you were to change the format, the most I'd make them is an 8-max.
A few 2016 wish list items for Non-Holdem games:
1) More NLO8 MTT hypers - lots of room in the schedule for Stars to add to. Need more micros ($2.20-$5.50), a HS ($109-$215) and PKO (only one is the $82 that is extremely popular). See this thread for a detailed schedule.
2) Updating structures of $530 Omahas (been an outstanding issue for a while and players continue to pay the full $30 in rake)
3) Adding a NLO8 high stakes ($320 to $530) weekday tournament.
4) Incorporating something similar to Full Tilt's Game of the Week that highlights a different game every week/month. Lots of potential for Pokerstars as a lot of your competitors do not have the capability to offer some of the Stud and Draw games.
5) Updating turbo night schedule to match current games (i.e. more NLO8 hypers).
6) Being more receptive to changing the status quo. Two specific examples:
a) There's a $5.50 PLO8 rebuy at 13:35 with a $1,500 guarantee that is priced too low, despite hitting it's guarantee daily. If it was changed to $11, most of the players are price insensitive and would still play it and the prize pool would double.
b) There's a $7.50 NLO8 hyper 1R1A at 19:05 with a $1k guarantee that consistently exceeds the guarantee. If it was changed to a regular rebuy, the prizepool would at least double because players are often in positions where they bust both bullets before the addon.
These are just two examples where the members of the tournament team do not choose to incorporate changes (these have been suggested several times) because the status quo appears to be "fine". Don't be afraid to be bold and take a chance. We are the ones playing in these games after all.
I'm not against changing the status quo, and your suggestions are always well thought-out. That said, it is typically a matter of bandwidth. Non-NLHE games are lower on the totem pole, so to speak. They need an intense focus and keen eye. I'll do my best to give them the attention they need in 2016.
I particularly like the idea of test a). I'll get that one in next week.
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Obv change all rebuys to this one latest structure is obv
Reducing the Abi of the schedule would require you to cut out high stakes mtts as you obviously won't be adding small buyin majors and def won't be adding small buyin bowls. That seems like a terrible terrible terrible idea and if you do it's a shot in your own leg
Dodging all the important question isn't really the way to go Luke, all of us would be much happier with an honest shtty reply than what you have been doing.
Just woke up so forgot a number of points I wanted to rant about but I ok be back
Reducing the Abi of the schedule would require you to cut out high stakes mtts as you obviously won't be adding small buyin majors and def won't be adding small buyin bowls. That seems like a terrible terrible terrible idea and if you do it's a shot in your own leg
Dodging all the important question isn't really the way to go Luke, all of us would be much happier with an honest shtty reply than what you have been doing.
Just woke up so forgot a number of points I wanted to rant about but I ok be back
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It should be a nobrainer to add minis if not weekly then at least once a month.
I think it would be nice if you make the last weekend of every month bigger. Add minis and couple 1k-2k HS vanilla MTTs. For example...
11$ Mini Kick-Off, 109$ Kickoff, 1k$ 6-max Highroller Kickoff
22$ Mini Warm-up, 215$ Warm-Up, 700$ Highroller Warm-Up
22$ Minimillion, 215$ Sunday Million and 2k$ Highroller Million
Those don't have to run when you have a COOP in progress. Make good satellite offerings with 4x turbos etc. starting monday that week. Call it Monthly Challenge or something and and watch when guarantees get crushed. Ez game!
I think it would be nice if you make the last weekend of every month bigger. Add minis and couple 1k-2k HS vanilla MTTs. For example...
11$ Mini Kick-Off, 109$ Kickoff, 1k$ 6-max Highroller Kickoff
22$ Mini Warm-up, 215$ Warm-Up, 700$ Highroller Warm-Up
22$ Minimillion, 215$ Sunday Million and 2k$ Highroller Million
Those don't have to run when you have a COOP in progress. Make good satellite offerings with 4x turbos etc. starting monday that week. Call it Monthly Challenge or something and and watch when guarantees get crushed. Ez game!
I've trimmed down your post a bit, but I'll be forwarding it on to our Promotions team. The minis had added money, 900,000+ emails, and a time of high traffic. I'm not saying something similar won't happen again. I'm just trying to provide context so that we can all communicate about these topics a bit more clearly.
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Minis/Broken record/Rant
There's prob a lot of things people don't like about the way you run the mtt schedule, but I'm sure for most/all of those you have some good reasoning behind your decisions that perhaps we don't all fully understand.
But when it comes to the minis you are just wrong. We shouldn't have to plead over and over for you to give us back one of the most exciting/successful things you did in 2015.
Youre a business that is blatantly refusing to cater to customers demands for something that was sooooo successful. It's insanity. Tournaments aren't some kind of special edition sneaker that you sell in limited amounts and then refuse to sell to those that missed the one and only shipment.
People don't give a **** if it's on for a promotion or not, we just want to play nice tournaments. Too much to ask?
I remember waking up that day being so excited when I saw those (I like many others had no idea until logging in that day, lol promotion effect) and getting messages from the few Rec friends I have saying "OMGGG MINIS!!!" They were followed by messages a week later: "wtf is wrong with them? Where'd they go?"
I think your just truly out of touch with what today's players want, this is shown when guys like jdpc make huge posts that get left to die time and time again. How many +1's is this going to take until it sinks in? all you focus on is data and sustainability and liquidity and other annoying words that only serve as a way to brush us aside and keep the thread rolling in a way that just builds resentment towards stars from its most loyal customers. Not enough things get done and when they do they're super obvious decisions that take too long. Am I the only one that laughed at how long the "2015 summary" was? do you read that and feel like a solid years work was done?
We're literally at the point where we have asked so many times that people are starting to compromise and beg for them to be "atleast monthly". Again, we should not have to plead like this to be able to give you rake. Think of the sneakers. People want to wear them every weekend. Make some more of them. **** the promotion or the limited edition aspect.
If you think we're all wrong put the minis back weekly without a guarantee. What do you have to lose? Literally. Put them back with a guarentee of zero. Prove us wrong, shut us up and then go ahead with making them yearly or whatever you want do zzz. I feel like such a bloody whinger itt sometimes but you bring it out of me Luke.
Battle Royale Tickets
What do we think about removing the battle Royale tickets for mid-high bounty builders.
I feel like they're a bit pointless. Is there anyone on earth that plays the mid-high builders that is then like "nah I'm only gonna play the Royale if I satty in"..?
The filtering issue and the annoyance of the prize pool display is just not worth it for these tickets. The ticket gimick has nothing to do with their success (atleast not at the higher stakes), it's the good structure, red label and psko aspect that draw people in. Keep the tickets for the smaller stakes builders only imo.
Wouldn't mind getting rid of the tix altogether tbh but I can see them being a good thing at the smaller levels for sure.
etc.
- Daily 215 pacific rim. Do whatever guarentee you want, just put it in there. Asia pacific players need more love instead of their sessions becoming dead the second they bust the nightlies.
- lower turbo rake. I really wish we would all just strike on them until they do it but I worry people don't have the patience. It's the only way it will ever get done though.
There's prob a lot of things people don't like about the way you run the mtt schedule, but I'm sure for most/all of those you have some good reasoning behind your decisions that perhaps we don't all fully understand.
But when it comes to the minis you are just wrong. We shouldn't have to plead over and over for you to give us back one of the most exciting/successful things you did in 2015.
Youre a business that is blatantly refusing to cater to customers demands for something that was sooooo successful. It's insanity. Tournaments aren't some kind of special edition sneaker that you sell in limited amounts and then refuse to sell to those that missed the one and only shipment.
People don't give a **** if it's on for a promotion or not, we just want to play nice tournaments. Too much to ask?
I remember waking up that day being so excited when I saw those (I like many others had no idea until logging in that day, lol promotion effect) and getting messages from the few Rec friends I have saying "OMGGG MINIS!!!" They were followed by messages a week later: "wtf is wrong with them? Where'd they go?"
I think your just truly out of touch with what today's players want, this is shown when guys like jdpc make huge posts that get left to die time and time again. How many +1's is this going to take until it sinks in? all you focus on is data and sustainability and liquidity and other annoying words that only serve as a way to brush us aside and keep the thread rolling in a way that just builds resentment towards stars from its most loyal customers. Not enough things get done and when they do they're super obvious decisions that take too long. Am I the only one that laughed at how long the "2015 summary" was? do you read that and feel like a solid years work was done?
We're literally at the point where we have asked so many times that people are starting to compromise and beg for them to be "atleast monthly". Again, we should not have to plead like this to be able to give you rake. Think of the sneakers. People want to wear them every weekend. Make some more of them. **** the promotion or the limited edition aspect.
If you think we're all wrong put the minis back weekly without a guarantee. What do you have to lose? Literally. Put them back with a guarentee of zero. Prove us wrong, shut us up and then go ahead with making them yearly or whatever you want do zzz. I feel like such a bloody whinger itt sometimes but you bring it out of me Luke.
Battle Royale Tickets
What do we think about removing the battle Royale tickets for mid-high bounty builders.
I feel like they're a bit pointless. Is there anyone on earth that plays the mid-high builders that is then like "nah I'm only gonna play the Royale if I satty in"..?
The filtering issue and the annoyance of the prize pool display is just not worth it for these tickets. The ticket gimick has nothing to do with their success (atleast not at the higher stakes), it's the good structure, red label and psko aspect that draw people in. Keep the tickets for the smaller stakes builders only imo.
Wouldn't mind getting rid of the tix altogether tbh but I can see them being a good thing at the smaller levels for sure.
etc.
- Daily 215 pacific rim. Do whatever guarentee you want, just put it in there. Asia pacific players need more love instead of their sessions becoming dead the second they bust the nightlies.
- lower turbo rake. I really wish we would all just strike on them until they do it but I worry people don't have the patience. It's the only way it will ever get done though.
In my last post, I mentioned a test for Bounty Builders. Starting Monday, the $1.10 and $7.50 Bounty Builders running Monday-Friday will not award tickets. We'll measure participation to see what kind of effect it has. I'm on the fence about the stakes argument for removing Bounty Builder tickets. This is because it is not a given that those who win tickets are always regs or even MTT players. Think of it as a way of potentially hooking people on the format we all love.
Lastly, I agree about more daily tournaments during off-peak. It will take some time but changes to those time slots in 2015 were generally met with success. Do you think there is an audience for $215 off-peak tournaments? The Pacific Rim satellites constantly cancel and because of this have been significantly reduced. What about something in the range of $55?
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Another point about the Bounty Builders awarding $109 tickets that I didn't mention, and I haven't seen mentioned by anyone else, is that it's kind of unfair to the lower-stakes winners to force them to spend a decent % of their winnings on a high-stakes MTT they'd otherwise not play. They've won their money fair and square, so they should be allowed to spend it however they want.
The guy who ships the 55c Bounty Builder will win $980 and a $109 ticket; just give the poor man $1100 ffs. If the tickets were an added bonus then sure, it'd be a nice extra. But you're taking the $109 out of the prize pool.
The guy who ships the 55c Bounty Builder will win $980 and a $109 ticket; just give the poor man $1100 ffs. If the tickets were an added bonus then sure, it'd be a nice extra. But you're taking the $109 out of the prize pool.
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3# You just said you want to lower the ABI of the schedule this year, I assume you realise that taking away Mill/kickoff/warm up/rebuy/ST/Thrill is a bad idea for everyone (people need to see that they could get better and one day play these games). I can't think of a better way to lower the ABI of the schedule than to permanently keep the most exciting low/micro MTTs I have ever seen on pokerstars.
6# Have you ever added a red tournament that didn't absolutely smash its guarantee? It doesn't happen. The demand is their, especially at these stakes.
3# You just said you want to lower the ABI of the schedule this year, I assume you realise that taking away Mill/kickoff/warm up/rebuy/ST/Thrill is a bad idea for everyone (people need to see that they could get better and one day play these games). I can't think of a better way to lower the ABI of the schedule than to permanently keep the most exciting low/micro MTTs I have ever seen on pokerstars.
6# Have you ever added a red tournament that didn't absolutely smash its guarantee? It doesn't happen. The demand is their, especially at these stakes.
#6 All of the non-NLHE red tournaments! That was an easy one, though.
Our interests are aligned. It will just take some careful planning.
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I consider your promotions a personal insult. I will not deposit money to have a chance at winning a $0.50 spin ticket or a seat to a 20,000 player donkament with a pitiful prize pool. I am a rec. player but I am not ******ed. You are treating us like we are ******ed. What the **** are you guys thinking?
I'm scrolling through the tournaments today and I'm trying to decide which ones I want to play. There is very little that interests me. 6 months ago I would scroll through and I would have a hard time choosing which to play because there were so many with good gtd and structure etc. You guys are killing your own games. What the **** are you thinking?!
I'm scrolling through the tournaments today and I'm trying to decide which ones I want to play. There is very little that interests me. 6 months ago I would scroll through and I would have a hard time choosing which to play because there were so many with good gtd and structure etc. You guys are killing your own games. What the **** are you thinking?!
We have the whole year ahead to make significant changes and I'm very optimistic about the discussions we'll have and the progress that we'll make.
01-09-2016
, 07:16 PM
So Matthew thanks for coming in here and telling us the rake will never become a talking point, that's fair enough,
But for these of not to be discussion then we expect a full offering (ie best online servers) the lag on Sunday is annoying and to expect any rake is annoying, again thanks for addressing the rake questions though
The minis I dont quite get your two answers, you seem to appear a lot more positive about them now you have "your head" on.
Why don't you try them out between tcoop, I'm sure then data will suggest it was troop that made these run.
In addition to the turbo offerings in relation to regular freezeout mtts , will you reveal,whether a lowering in abi will result in more / less turbo?
All rebuy change to the 11r formats think this is totally clear.
Freerolls to 3k starting stacks as well
If all bounty builders are 9 max throw some more 6 max reg speeds in the time slots ie 44 6max 55 . People obviously like them and I doubt it would stop people regging the bb s
Sunday's seem good but the lag is terrible and to expect full rake on Sundays is a joke at this moment.
Hope we see more mtts this year and not less!!!
888 will then take over you but I don't know if that's what you want?
But for these of not to be discussion then we expect a full offering (ie best online servers) the lag on Sunday is annoying and to expect any rake is annoying, again thanks for addressing the rake questions though
The minis I dont quite get your two answers, you seem to appear a lot more positive about them now you have "your head" on.
Why don't you try them out between tcoop, I'm sure then data will suggest it was troop that made these run
.In addition to the turbo offerings in relation to regular freezeout mtts , will you reveal,whether a lowering in abi will result in more / less turbo?
All rebuy change to the 11r formats think this is totally clear.
Freerolls to 3k starting stacks as well
If all bounty builders are 9 max throw some more 6 max reg speeds in the time slots ie 44 6max 55 . People obviously like them and I doubt it would stop people regging the bb s
Sunday's seem good but the lag is terrible and to expect full rake on Sundays is a joke at this moment.
Hope we see more mtts this year and not less!!!
888 will then take over you but I don't know if that's what you want?
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