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02-17-2016 , 07:17 PM
<''))))>< food

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02-17-2016 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by user12345
Have timebanks in turbos (and amount of time b4 timebank is being activated [in all MTTs]) been decreased?
yeap.
i think it's too short at some spots, like the hots.
i mean how can a hyper sat have 8sec to act and be the same with the hot (most deep turbo tour of the schedule)?
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02-17-2016 , 08:59 PM
^^
makes sense

It has affected MTTs like 11r somehow as well
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02-17-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by <''))))>< food
you're such a spoilt ****.

waaaaaaaaah i want soft low stakes featured tournaments waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

How ****ing thick are all of you to not realize that they do not roll out certain tournaments because the cannibalization effect may reduce the net rake they pull in over the short/long run? Just incessantly demanding more featured tournaments at your buy-in level. Why stop at a mini-thrill? why not just run 24 at every ****ing hour on Thursdays? God save all of you when online poker pushes you out and you have to join the real world.
Lol wtf r u talking about? The cannibalisation effect is so largely overestimated that you using it as a reason shows just how out of touch of you are. Let people ask for what they want without receiving abuse. U need to go outside and calm down. Go for a walk or something.
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02-17-2016 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by user12345
^^
makes sense

It has affected MTTs like 11r somehow as well
It got changed for all tournaments. Reg speeds still have more time to act than turbos, unless this one is bugged.
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02-18-2016 , 04:44 AM
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"Please note that the Astronomer Freeroll promotion is being discontinued on February 14.

The final Astronomer Freeroll will run on February 12. The final Weekly Round 2 tourneys will run on February 13 and 14.

Any unused tickets for ‘Weekly Round 2 - Saturday’ and ‘Weekly Round 2 - Sunday’ tournaments will expire thereafter, and unused tickets will be forfeited. The tickets are non-transferable, non-exchangeable and non-refundable."
That is extremely unfortunate!

They were a nice way to introduce non-HE MTTs to new players. I hope there will be other regular mixed games promotions for recs.
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02-18-2016 , 05:14 AM
FFS you could inform us about your server restart.. I woke up early in order to grind throughout the European day and now I am left sitting here with an empty schedule. Do these restarts during the european night - we are the majority of your clients - show some respect for that you greedy *****!!!
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02-18-2016 , 05:31 AM
U can set it somehow for a reminder
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02-18-2016 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Transcendence
Lol wtf r u talking about? The cannibalisation effect is so largely overestimated that you using it as a reason shows just how out of touch of you are. Let people ask for what they want without receiving abuse. U need to go outside and calm down. Go for a walk or something.
No, it`s not overestimated.
How do you explain that Storm and 11$-10k GTD had overlays in the past 2 weeks? It`s kinda big coincidence this happened exactly when the Mini Million and Mini Kickoff were introduced.
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02-18-2016 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KKrushed
FFS you could inform us about your server restart.. I woke up early in order to grind throughout the European day and now I am left sitting here with an empty schedule. Do these restarts during the european night - we are the majority of your clients - show some respect for that you greedy *****!!!
You can sign up to an e mail alert via the stars client. If you e mail the vip club they will give you the opt in code.

Very often these restarts are done either 1st Thursday of the month or 3rd week of the month.
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02-18-2016 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GTXR1
That is extremely unfortunate!

They were a nice way to introduce non-HE MTTs to new players. I hope there will be other regular mixed games promotions for recs.
+1
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02-18-2016 , 09:12 AM
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FFS you could inform us about your server restart.. I woke up early in order to grind throughout the European day and now I am left sitting here with an empty schedule. Do these restarts during the european night - we are the majority of your clients - show some respect for that you greedy *****!!!
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Dear anuj22,

There is a planned server restart of the PokerStars client at 07:00 ET Thursday, February 18, 2016. This restart is scheduled to last for about 40 minutes. Due to the nature of this restart, you may experience some lag during the login process if you log in within 10-15 minutes of the restart; the games themselves will not be affected by this.

The regular tournament schedule is affected for twelve or more hours before the planned time of restart. Scheduled tournaments are planned to restart at about 08:30 ET.

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They let you know 24 hrs before the scheduled restart if you enter Star Code 'serverrestart'
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02-18-2016 , 11:47 AM
Pwned
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02-18-2016 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Transcendence
Lol wtf r u talking about? The cannibalisation effect is so largely overestimated that you using it as a reason shows just how out of touch of you are. Let people ask for what they want without receiving abuse. U need to go outside and calm down. Go for a walk or something.
You're right. The mtt employees of pokerstars are sitting on treasure troves of rake in the form of unimplemented new mtts and aren't adding them to the schedule so that people like you can't get the tournaments they want.

I'm out of touch but you think that guys sitting in an office 5 days a week with day-by-day data fed into excel for every tournament offering on their site know less about how to maximize rake than you do. Maybe they should sign you up.

edit: was going to stop there but I'm gonna Kanye. Think this through: a public company that has struggled to meet its revenue and earnings forecasts and has now had to cut future expectations and thus seen its stock price plummet hasn't deciphered the solution to all of their woes: just increase the number of tournaments offered boys. **** it, just make 2 of everything, or make mini versions of the mini tournaments (although the second idea has diminishing returns to rake generated).

every ecosystem, whether natural or artificial, has limitations to its health and existence. Imagine a fenced-off field 1 square mile large with x foxes and y rabbits. The foxes must consume less rabbits in each time period than the number of new rabbits born or the rabbit population will decline. If it declines, the decline may accelerate further until the ecosystem collapses entirely and the foxes die from starvation after the rabbits are gone. The only way to sustain overconsumption is to bring in new rabbits from another field. Add to this that in addition to the foxes, there is a wolf in the field (Pokerstars) that eats both rabbits and foxes. Let's say tournaments are events when the metaphorical rabbits are vulnerable to being eaten. Increasing the number of chances for rabbits to be eaten when there isn't a sustainable renewal of the rabbit population is not good for the rabbits, but it is also not good for the foxes or the wolf.

Since pokerstars is the field in question, new tournaments should, as a question of business strategy, be ones that either bring in new players to poker or at least bring in players from other sites.

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02-18-2016 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
Yea it was decreased across the board a few months back.
It's a good change actually and I am interested if even some 'blitz' turbos could be introduced with just couple of seconds to act & no timebanks. It could be really really effective as you play a lot more hands per level so the high turbo rake could be justified & also it could improve the late hours in the schedule between b162 and the nightlies.
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02-18-2016 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by <''))))>< food
every ecosystem, whether natural or artificial, has limitations to its health and existence. Imagine a fenced-off field 1 square mile large with x foxes and y rabbits. The foxes must consume less rabbits in each time period than the number of new rabbits born or the rabbit population will decline. If it declines, the decline may accelerate further until the ecosystem collapses entirely and the foxes die from starvation after the rabbits are gone. The only way to sustain overconsumption is to bring in new rabbits from another field. Add to this that in addition to the foxes, there is a wolf in the field (Pokerstars) that eats both rabbits and foxes. Let's say tournaments are events when the metaphorical rabbits are vulnerable to being eaten. Increasing the number of chances for rabbits to be eaten when there isn't a sustainable renewal of the rabbit population is not good for the rabbits, but it is also not good for the foxes or the wolf.
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02-18-2016 , 12:51 PM
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02-18-2016 , 01:04 PM
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Obviously the EV if measured by a pure dollar standpoint is the same.
But who is going to be the players that re-enter this tourney? If it was proportionally bad players and good players in comparison to the original starting field then it makes no difference. The reality is there will be a much higher percentage of good players firing multiple bullets compared to bad players.
I've heard this argument a lot and I wonder if anybody has ever done any research as to the validity of this? I would think there is a large group of non-pro's that have enough money to fire multiple bullets in a Sunday Million and are just as eager and prepared to do so, in addition to the fact worse players are more likely to bust in the re-entry period.

When you look at live tournaments, the re-entry's that get significantly tougher are the ones where the value generally comes from satellite winners, I have observed this in the WPT 3k's for example whereas in the Super High Rollers on the EPT or sub 1000 USD buy ins it almost appears to make them softer?

Now I can easily be convinced that the Sunday Million is a tournament that runs mainly on satellite winners but I think to assume as a default that the players re-entering are always going to be the better players is not necessarily true. Were people not saying the same thing about rebuys?
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02-18-2016 , 01:06 PM
Rofl you need help food, p sure I've been asking for a 1K for longer then you've played poker.
It requires 30 thousand actual individuals can't you see that. But when the storm gets 28k/30k the same 20K or something that isn't sattied in want to play other stuff it's dumb not to give to put them up.

The mini thrill, Tuesday. And mini weekender are 3 of the easiest and best adds and would have people playing more and more on Tuesday and Thursday. I know a ~10recs that try to satty into thrill or Tuesday and design whether they play or not if they get into those. Except all of them would show up for a mini and play more satties to the other, hence boosting activity in the 1Ks.

The storm had overlay the weeks before too, and was back down to 275K and they reupeped to 300K the first time they had minis it met ( when they had mini rebuy and mini million albeit....? Like I said storm gets overlay because 3000 people of the 30K ppl blasting their roll on Sunday don't want it to be last trny they are in/ can b really crap shootu because of the structure and the fact that it NEEDS sattys to meet and idk ppl who bother to play storm satty lol.


Luke responds 1x a week maybe doing nothing.


Needed to add Luke, in a nice color with a super low GTD to start n just build.
Mini thrill $109
Mini Tuesday $109
Mini weekender $82
Mini rebuy/WU as you know.
Add the Weekly 1K 2 hours b4 Sunday 500. 3 pink satties.
Make the Phase a 16.50 or $22.

Honestly, just making storm 1x rentry all Sunday's so we can stop talking about the 3K ppl it misses, most recs can afford to play another Bullet in their fav trny, and don't mind for 1x rentry to the regs. Yeah, let's try this. Seriously.


Also stars feel free to sign me up.

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02-18-2016 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jorizz
I've heard this argument a lot and I wonder if anybody has ever done any research as to the validity of this? I would think there is a large group of non-pro's that have enough money to fire multiple bullets in a Sunday Million and are just as eager and prepared to do so, in addition to the fact worse players are more likely to bust in the re-entry period.

When you look at live tournaments, the re-entry's that get significantly tougher are the ones where the value generally comes from satellite winners, I have observed this in the WPT 3k's for example whereas in the Super High Rollers on the EPT or sub 1000 USD buy ins it almost appears to make them softer?

Now I can easily be convinced that the Sunday Million is a tournament that runs mainly on satellite winners but I think to assume as a default that the players re-entering are always going to be the better players is not necessarily true. Were people not saying the same? thing about rebuys
Rebuys aren't raked so that's a 10% edge. Furthermore we are talking about a $215 buy in not a $10 buy in. The $215 rebuys that are offered aren't soft nor are the $109 rebuys. Yet rebuys up to $10 rebuys are soft.

The difference is the price. A rec player who makes a $50 deposit might have no issues with firing 3 bullets at a $11 rebuy/re-entry. A rec player who deposits 1k might have no issues firing 3 bullets at at a $215 rebuy/re-entry. These examples are the exact same in regards to deposit-buy ins.

The question is how many rec players deposit 1k and how many deposit $50?
I doubt a 1 to 50 ratio wouldn't be out of line in that scenario.
Since rec players don't deposit so much $ they don't have the funds to fire multiple bullets. Since satellites only award the original buy in they can't rebuy/add on.
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02-18-2016 , 02:43 PM
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SNIP...

Honestly, just making storm 1x rentry all Sunday's so we can stop talking about the 3K ppl it misses, most recs can afford to play another Bullet in their fav trny, and don't mind for 1x rentry to the regs. Yeah, let's try this. Seriously.


Also stars feel free to sign me up.
This is a great idea. I usually don't like re-entries but a 1 x re-entry to the Storm is a much better idea than lowering the gtd. If you lower the gtd you are giving in to the terrorists.
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02-18-2016 , 02:43 PM
Considering how much of a massive failure the Weekender has been I don't see how we'd expect to see a $82 version.If anything a mini weekender would end up like $20.

And I'm greatly in favor of a 1k HR on Sunday, but there doesn't need to be sats. Highrollers don't pinch pennies trying to pony up enough money to get a tournament buyin. Highrollers aren't built for midstakes regs to shot take.
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02-18-2016 , 04:28 PM
Posting on my iPhone. I would use that excuse if I was a complete brain dead idiot who realized I was wrong and never admitted it and attacked everyone in every post. Good try though. Don't respond we don't need to hear the monsters in your brain

The week er is awful because a majority of regs don't play Saturday an take the day off then play a 75% Ko. The Mini weekender is big in red and tons of Recs will be playing it which in turn make day 2 and deposit more and play more on sunday, and "Mini" of $82 encourages mid stakes to shot take at it a nice 2day event Saturday leading into Sunday.

They don't NEED need sattys but like I said before if they added pink ones to ST and TT they would be getting more players eveytime. And idk what world you live in but everyone recs and kids take regs alike don't mind shot taking in a prestigious Weekly 1K or Monthly 1K. Having pink satties encourages recs to reg more of the satties of they bust that one even and shot take.
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02-18-2016 , 06:23 PM
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Rebuys aren't raked so that's a 10% edge. Furthermore we are talking about a $215 buy in not a $10 buy in. The $215 rebuys that are offered aren't soft nor are the $109 rebuys. Yet rebuys up to $10 rebuys are soft.

The difference is the price. A rec player who makes a $50 deposit might have no issues with firing 3 bullets at a $11 rebuy/re-entry. A rec player who deposits 1k might have no issues firing 3 bullets at at a $215 rebuy/re-entry. These examples are the exact same in regards to deposit-buy ins.

The question is how many rec players deposit 1k and how many deposit $50?
I doubt a 1 to 50 ratio wouldn't be out of line in that scenario.
Since rec players don't deposit so much $ they don't have the funds to fire multiple bullets. Since satellites only award the original buy in they can't rebuy/add on.
Obviously a rebuy is preferable to a freeze-out due to rake considerations. I'm not arguing that, all I'm saying is that a lot of the arguments being made vs re-entries are very similar to the arguments being made vs rebuys back in the day.

Obviously there are more rec players willing to deposit 50 as opposed to 1000 and that is why the Sunday Storm has more runners than the Sunday Million and the recro ratio is better in the Sunday Storm.

There are plenty of rec players that are not able to deposit 215 to play the regular Sunday Million that doesn't mean something is wrong with the buy in. Just different offerings for different levels of bankroll.

Intuitively I agree it makes total sense for re-entries to be a bit tougher.

All I'm asking is:

a) Do we know this for sure?
b) Is the effect as big as some claim it is?
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02-18-2016 , 06:50 PM
Get a room you two jfc
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